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Posted 13 August 2017 - 09:32 PM

america is a big place

let localised people decide who their war heroes are

extreme left and right all want to erase things they consider at odds with their worldview

history is sadly written by the victors

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Posted 13 August 2017 - 09:37 PM

white supremacists suck

so do liberals who illogically want to suppress the freedoms of any group they disagree with

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 01:52 AM

People who think its ok to murder people because of their political views suck



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Posted 14 August 2017 - 07:09 AM

View Postfifiroxy, on 14 August 2017 - 01:52 AM, said:

People who think its ok to murder people because of their political views suck

obviously?

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 09:02 AM

View PostDemon, on 14 August 2017 - 07:09 AM, said:

View Postfifiroxy, on 14 August 2017 - 01:52 AM, said:

People who think its ok to murder people because of their political views suck

obviously?
You seemed focused on  wittering on about Liberals suppressing freedoms , when racists murdering liberals protesting Racism seems slightly more unnaceptable /s


Don't you ever get tired of being a troll?

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 02:05 PM

View Postfifiroxy, on 14 August 2017 - 09:02 AM, said:

View PostDemon, on 14 August 2017 - 07:09 AM, said:

View Postfifiroxy, on 14 August 2017 - 01:52 AM, said:

People who think its ok to murder people because of their political views suck

obviously?
You seemed focused on  wittering on about Liberals suppressing freedoms , when racists murdering liberals protesting Racism seems slightly more unnaceptable /s


Don't you ever get tired of being a troll?

one fucked up guy murdered one liberal. ploughing a car into a group of people is clearly the work of a crazy man.

the liberals are counter protesting a protest against the removal of a statue of a confederate war hero. this protest invariably contains people who hold racist views. unfortunately, well intended protest on any side of the political spectrum is usually hijacked by more extreme groups or simply by idiots. eg. Ferguson.

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 02:07 PM

liberals are usually more violent than anyone else. sneering and yelling. if you took away any identifiers of political leaning, it is very hard to tell the two sides apart in their demeanour. this whole "punch a nazi" thing. where anyone who opposes their inclusive worldview is a "nazi".

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 02:14 PM

we live in a world where we decry IS for destroying heritage sites, but some liberals are fine with the destruction of a heritage that they don't agree with.

let's tear down the churchill statues, dude came from a time of racism.

look, people fought and died in the civil war for what they considered to be their homeland. but liberals think they should pick and choose who you commemorate. that is wrong.

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 02:17 PM

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 12:20 PM

http://www.independe...h-a7893581.html

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 12:24 PM

I suppose this is okay with you Fifi. I suppose the hundreds of thousands of confederate soldiers who lost their lives don't deserve to be commemorated. i suppose, by extension, german WW2 soldiers don't deserve commemoration.

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 12:26 PM

look at those losers in that video. if that is tolerance, i don't think i want to be known as a tolerant guy.

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 06:22 PM

I was reading on the news today about sentencing issues around an actual Nazi ( from Hitlers army) and his coconspirators that had their own private pedophile/torture operation in Chile, torturing and murdering dissidents and their children for Pinotchets regime
Don't forget that Thatcher and the US propped up Pinotchet and probably knew about this while it was happening, these issues are still relevant, they are not "historical" they are ongoing


Veterans who fought in actual wars have criticised civilian non miltary Neo Nazis in the US on this march who are wearing US army hats while giving Nazi salutes
They are wearing the insignia of veteran troops who fought against Nazis!!
Dumb fucks

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 06:23 PM

Dumb Dumb Dumb

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 06:27 PM

In the UK there are no statues of Thatcher in public because  they would be vandalised , I don't see the issue in tearing down symbols of oppression tbh

I'm sure If someone wanted to put a 50ft statue of Mohammad or Hitler in your village square you would object

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 07:59 PM

of course anyone who doesn't fit in with the liberal ideology is a 'nazi' too

these are the same people who complain that black prisoners need rehabilitation but also bang the 'kill your rapist' drum

talk to any liberal and you can catch them in a logic trap within a minute, by which time of course they will call you a racist, or a nazi. for questioning the liberal narrative.

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 08:00 PM

View Postfifiroxy, on 16 August 2017 - 06:27 PM, said:

I'm sure If someone wanted to put a 50ft statue of Mohammad or Hitler in your village square you would object

but you know it's different

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 08:03 PM

I think any statue of a historical figure is problematic when judged by today's standards.

if you tear down one, you set a precedent for tearing down them all. except the ones that liberals like.

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 08:09 PM

as a working class person, i am offended by statues of kings, queens, lords, and landowners.

but they are dead, and i am alive.

i guess i am a tolerant intolerant person. perhaps i am a nazi by today's standards. cries of racist. fuck you.

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 08:13 PM

where does it end?

wagner's music condemned to the fire?

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 08:14 PM

and I'm not a Wagner fan at all. one too many notes.

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Posted 17 August 2017 - 03:23 AM

https://amp.cnn.com/...trnd/index.html

i think this undercuts things a bit for the "erasing history" crowd. most of these things went up 35 years or more after the war, and for less than honorable reasons. the actual battlefield stuff, fine. but lee riding his horse like a hero through a city park? fuck that trash.

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Posted 17 August 2017 - 11:49 AM

i see your point, although it is CNN.

at the end of the day, the south is conquered land. the union's occupation still rankles.

i guess there should not be statues for fallen native american heroes, as they also fought against the united states and had questionable morals by today's standards.

the 'violence' is definitely from both sides. the cognitive dissonance of the left is what really gets me though.

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Posted 17 August 2017 - 11:55 AM

over-educated millenials who think because they are offended they are right, i wish der kate were here to see this.

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Posted 17 August 2017 - 12:02 PM

i guess all companies with problematic histories should cease trading. unfortunately we live in a world that still bears the scars of past wrongs.

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Posted 17 August 2017 - 12:04 PM

let's face it, the reason these statues are coming down is because they are offensive to blacks.

let's face it, a lot of things about the western world could be seen as offensive to blacks.

shall we take tom and jerry off the air for good? my point is where does this course of action end?

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Posted 17 August 2017 - 03:10 PM

let's face it... the biggest vocal opponents to all this, showbusiness, the music business, the art world, all benefit financially from infrastructures of exploitation.

all hopping along for the good PR and cool points.

when Apple employs modern day slavery practices to produce their products and robs the underclasses of vital public services in the form of tax avoidance.

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Posted 17 August 2017 - 03:14 PM

View PostDemon, on 17 August 2017 - 11:49 AM, said:

i see your point, although it is CNN.

plenty of sources for this factual information. this was just the first i found. there's no denying the when and why, regardless of the source.

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Posted 17 August 2017 - 03:19 PM

View PostDemon, on 17 August 2017 - 12:04 PM, said:

let's face it, the reason these statues are coming down is because they are offensive to blacks.

let's face it, a lot of things about the western world could be seen as offensive to blacks.

shall we take tom and jerry off the air for good? my point is where does this course of action end?

not just offensive, but expressly meant to intimidate.


i don't know where it ends, but not celebrating those who fought to preserve the practice of humans owning humans is probably a good starting point.

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Posted 17 August 2017 - 03:24 PM

as always, you make good points. and i appreciate your ability to see value in multiple positions. i was born in the south on a military base and have been back many times throughout my 44 years. there are huge swaths where people would gladly go right back to 1850 if they could, slaves and all. to me picking a side of this argument is as easy a decision as there is.

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