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#1 hommefile

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 12:39 AM

The recent wave of accusations of sexual abuse in Hollywood have now opened the door for girls/women speaking out about what's happening in the music business:

https://pitchfork.co...tion-of-minors/


Given that most groupies are underage, the concept of any musician ever having had sex with a minor shouldn't shock anyone. so I'm kind of surprised by all the shock reactions to this. Although to be fair this guy Jesse Lacey is a particular kind of piece of shit from what I've read. Here's his apology https://www.facebook...5923794753023.
I think only the victims who have felt especially degraded will speak out, because it's not really "worth it" given all the backlash they'll get from the fans.


Also to add to the discussion, given that these girls were deceived, manipulated and coerced to engage in sexual activities with this man, which we all can agree is abominable, why is it somehow seen as "acceptable" by society when done to girls of age? Men lying and making promises to females in order to get them to bed is such a common thing I think most guys have or would be willing to do it. I mean I've avoided the dating scene all of my life and I have still been told things like "I'm in love with you" and other lies and idiotic promises as an attempt to get something from me. And while I may laugh at their faces, I think other vulnerable girls may fall for it, and it's frightening, because honestly what kind of psychopath does that?
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Posted 14 November 2017 - 09:30 AM

It's like opening Pandoras Box
There has been so much of this going on for so many years

I know two girls who were sleeping with band members when they were 15, but they were ok with it
I don't know how they feel about it it now

It is still kind of gross, if you spend time around people that age and see how really childish they still are physically and mentally you realise that the adults involved have something seriously wrong with them

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 09:31 AM

i guess david bowie will be getting it soon, yeah i doubt that very much.

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 09:32 AM

And Robert Plant?
He's still alive

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 09:39 AM

View Posthommefile, on 14 November 2017 - 12:39 AM, said:

Also to add to the discussion, given that these girls were deceived, manipulated and coerced to engage in sexual activities with this man, which we all can agree is abominable, why is it somehow seen as "acceptable" by society when done to girls of age? Men lying and making promises to females in order to get them to bed is such a common thing I think most guys have or would be willing to do it. I mean I've avoided the dating scene all of my life and I have still been told things like "I'm in love with you" and other lies and idiotic promises as an attempt to get something from me. And while I may laugh at their faces, I think other vulnerable girls may fall for it, and it's frightening, because honestly what kind of psychopath does that?

this is idiotic and is basically a projection of your man hating sensibilities and also your religious obsession with the sanctity of sex. people of both genders (there are only two) lie all the time in order to get what they want.

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 09:39 AM

Regarding the Weinstein allegations, I was horrified to hear that Black Cube, a company made up of ex Mossad operatives, was employed to follow and engage with victims, posing as "women's rights activists".
In order to gain their trust and find information that could be used to throw dirt on their reputations to discredit them in court.

How fucked up is that?

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 09:41 AM

I think Asia Argento commented on it
I wasn't aware that she was dating Boudain before this

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 09:45 AM

https://www.theguard...use-allegations


Ex PM of Israel introduced Weinstein to ex Mossad agents to cover up his prolific rape history

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 09:48 AM

View Postfifiroxy, on 14 November 2017 - 09:39 AM, said:

Regarding the Weinstein allegations, I was horrified to hear that Black Cube, a company made up of ex Mossad operatives, was employed to follow and engage with victims, posing as "women's rights activists".
In order to gain their trust and find information that could be used to throw dirt on their reputations to discredit them in court.

How fucked up is that?

but what is the difference between this and that model wearing a wire and recording weinstein being a creep? i'm surprised you are horrified. it's funny that you mention they are ex-mossad.

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 09:48 AM

No doubt he will become all religious in therapy

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 09:50 AM

View PostDemon, on 14 November 2017 - 09:48 AM, said:

View Postfifiroxy, on 14 November 2017 - 09:39 AM, said:

Regarding the Weinstein allegations, I was horrified to hear that Black Cube, a company made up of ex Mossad operatives, was employed to follow and engage with victims, posing as "women's rights activists".
In order to gain their trust and find information that could be used to throw dirt on their reputations to discredit them in court.

How fucked up is that?

but what is the difference between this and that model wearing a wire and recording weinstein being a creep? i'm surprised you are horrified. it's funny that you mention they are ex-mossad.

Well they boast about being totally ruthless in their methods, it's kind of a ridiculous escalation on Weinsteins part, but it also explains why he felt untouchable and free to behave as he wanted without consequence

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 09:53 AM

View PostDemon, on 14 November 2017 - 09:48 AM, said:

View Postfifiroxy, on 14 November 2017 - 09:39 AM, said:

Regarding the Weinstein allegations, I was horrified to hear that Black Cube, a company made up of ex Mossad operatives, was employed to follow and engage with victims, posing as "women's rights activists".
In order to gain their trust and find information that could be used to throw dirt on their reputations to discredit them in court.

How fucked up is that?

but what is the difference between this and that model wearing a wire and recording weinstein being a creep? i'm surprised you are horrified. it's funny that you mention they are ex-mossad.
A model wearing a wire for NYPD is far different from ex Mossad recommended by an ex President of Israel,  doubt the model has assassinated multiple people and is an expert in brainwashing and torture methods

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 09:57 AM

the practice is the same

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 09:59 AM

now you're projecting your anti-israel proclivities

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 10:02 AM

The impact on victims is not the same
How would you feel if you had M15 following you because some MP had raped someone you know, or raped you?

A model wearing a wire on behalf of police to engage with someone who assaulted her is not equivalent to ex national security following victims of assault to discredit them, it's the exact opposite


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Posted 14 November 2017 - 10:03 AM

View PostDemon, on 14 November 2017 - 09:59 AM, said:

now you're projecting your anti-israel proclivities

It happened, I didn't make it up
It's an example of abuse of power, and a conspiracy to enable abuse

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 10:09 AM

View Postfifiroxy, on 14 November 2017 - 10:02 AM, said:

The impact on victims is not the same
How would you feel if you had M15 following you because some MP had raped someone you know, or raped you?

A model wearing a wire on behalf of police to engage with someone who assaulted her is not equivalent to ex national security following victims of assault to discredit them, it's the exact opposite

how do you really think information is otherwise gleaned? say these big bad mossad super spies revealed one or more of the accusers were pathological liars/attention grabbers, would it be okay then? you've taken the israel part and your ideological prison immediately informs your response.

that wire didn't even reveal anything incriminating, it only confirmed weinstein's creepiness. considering the girl knew she was wearing a wire and could have led weinstein anywhere, that could be interpreted as rather telling.

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 10:20 AM

Your perspective of the whole thing is skewed
I'm not forming my opinions on imaginarysituations where weinsteins victims are suddenly transformed into

"pathalogicical liars/attention grabbers"

I'm forming my opinions on the facts so far ( he did employ black  cube) which indicate that he was engaging with victims in an extremely hostile and overblown way- indicating his guilt

Equivalent would be if an English director such as Keneth Branagh,  employed ex Mi5 to suppress and destroy the reputation of anyone that accused him of assault

Totally over the top reaction and more telling in my opinion of his guilt

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 10:31 AM

View Postfifiroxy, on 14 November 2017 - 10:20 AM, said:

Your perspective of the whole thing is skewed
I'm not forming my opinions on imaginarysituations where weinsteins victims are suddenly transformed into

"pathalogicical liars/attention grabbers"

I'm forming my opinions on the facts so far ( he did employ black  cube) which indicate that he was engaging with victims in an extremely hostile and overblown way- indicating his guilt

Equivalent would be if an English director such as Keneth Branagh,  employed ex Mi5 to suppress and destroy the reputation of anyone that accused him of assault

Totally over the top reaction and more telling in my opinion of his guilt

it's not an "imaginary situation" because we can only suppose what is the truth and what is not. this is the problem with trial by media.

everything is not so black and white. for instance, an out of court settlement could easily be viewed as the action of an innocent or guilty person depending on your perspective.

if weinstein believes he is innocent, or that he is suffering disproportionately for the seriousness of his alleged crimes, of which we don't know for certain, then why is he not allowed to hire investigators?

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 10:41 AM

You are minimising the fact that these investigators are ex Mossad
And there are quantifiable facts
He hired Black Cube
They adknowledge it, there is a paper trail
They are Facts


I really do hope it ends up in court, I don't understand why he hasn't been arrested yet


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Posted 14 November 2017 - 10:43 AM

what has he done that's illegal?

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 10:45 AM

Forcible rape resulting in injuries that were treated in hospital, according to Rose McGowan
That is physical evidence to support her case



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Posted 14 November 2017 - 10:47 AM

That drug charges were brought on McGowan recently from a state that she hadn't visited in years is indicative of the kind of pressure that can be exerted to suppress victims from prosecuting




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Posted 14 November 2017 - 10:54 AM

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Posted 20 November 2017 - 02:22 PM

View Postfifiroxy, on 14 November 2017 - 09:39 AM, said:

Regarding the Weinstein allegations, I was horrified to hear that Black Cube, a company made up of ex Mossad operatives, was employed to follow and engage with victims, posing as "women's rights activists".
In order to gain their trust and find information that could be used to throw dirt on their reputations to discredit them in court.

How fucked up is that?

That is very fucked up.

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Posted 20 November 2017 - 02:40 PM

View Posthommefile, on 14 November 2017 - 12:39 AM, said:

The recent wave of accusations of sexual abuse in Hollywood have now opened the door for girls/women speaking out about what's happening in the music business:

https://pitchfork.co...tion-of-minors/


Given that most groupies are underage, the concept of any musician ever having had sex with a minor shouldn't shock anyone. so I'm kind of surprised by all the shock reactions to this. Although to be fair this guy Jesse Lacey is a particular kind of piece of shit from what I've read. Here's his apology https://www.facebook...5923794753023.
I think only the victims who have felt especially degraded will speak out, because it's not really "worth it" given all the backlash they'll get from the fans.


Also to add to the discussion, given that these girls were deceived, manipulated and coerced to engage in sexual activities with this man, which we all can agree is abominable, why is it somehow seen as "acceptable" by society when done to girls of age? Men lying and making promises to females in order to get them to bed is such a common thing I think most guys have or would be willing to do it. I mean I've avoided the dating scene all of my life and I have still been told things like "I'm in love with you" and other lies and idiotic promises as an attempt to get something from me. And while I may laugh at their faces, I think other vulnerable girls may fall for it, and it's frightening, because honestly what kind of psychopath does that?
I can't imagine what sort of psychopath would say "I love you"...




I think it's sad that you think "most guys" would be willing to prey on women.

I don't think you should have sex because some one promises you something. Good sex isn't really a transaction...

But yes, abusing any power dynamic, or exploiting maybe an intellectual or power imbalance is a rotten thing to do. I don't think "most guys" would be "willing to do it".

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Posted 20 November 2017 - 02:43 PM

View Postfifiroxy, on 14 November 2017 - 10:47 AM, said:

That drug charges were brought on McGowan recently from a state that she hadn't visited in years is indicative of the kind of pressure that can be exerted to suppress victims from prosecuting
That is some deeply corrupt conspiracy shit and I would not be suprised at all if it was all true.

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Posted 20 November 2017 - 02:56 PM

I think it's interesting that perhaps social media has enabled alot of people to come forward and tell their story by providing a platform and an audience outside of the old, more corrupt and controlled media. Alas the trade-off is the rivers of filth, narcissism, and mind-numbing pointlessness that make up most of the rest of social media...

Hey this forum is like old new media..

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Posted 25 November 2017 - 03:30 PM

View Postvit, on 20 November 2017 - 02:43 PM, said:

View Postfifiroxy, on 14 November 2017 - 10:47 AM, said:

That drug charges were brought on McGowan recently from a state that she hadn't visited in years is indicative of the kind of pressure that can be exerted to suppress victims from prosecuting
That is some deeply corrupt conspiracy shit and I would not be suprised at all if it was all true.

It's going to be interesting to see the smorgasbord of tools he employs to further discredit his victims and muddy the waters

Also I think false accusations against popular figures could be used to draw false equivalence and create a backlash against victims
( hypothetically someone like Ed Westwick the guy from Gossip Girl)
I say this as one of his accusers boyfriends was involved in child porn and her involvement with him could be used as leverage to coerce her into an accusation. These  kind of cases could be used to draw false equivalence and create a backlash against victims

^^^^ totally hypothetical but Lawyers and media image brokers/ private investigators are paid to do some stuff which is unpalatable but makes their clients look good / steers the spotlight away from their actual crimes and manipulates media coverage





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