22 replies to this topic

[shades]

So I've been on the prowl seriously for drummers and shit and I finally found one and I auditioned one last week. Firstly, he just didnt bring the goods. No band experience as a drummer at all and he was very much so an ameture.

Sure, no problems with all that. We all start as ametuers. I'm more than wiling to help cause I've got some knowledge behind the drums.

Mainly the reason why I thought he wouldnt do good is cause he was like 180lbs overweight. First off, don't recognize me as being discrimitive towards overweight people cause currently I'm a good 15lbs over but I always work it off for the summer. I was also once 120lbs over due to a very bad first marriage.

Thing is, he kept making it an issue during practice. Constantly saying that he was out of breath, had to shit, etc and wad really making the session a downer. After that, that was all he talked about. No mention of how he could do better for the music.

I just looked at it as a low self esteme issue. If you can recognize these problems then take care of them and show more motivation. Believe me, ive been there.

Remember my friend that almost got robbed by some guy with a tire iron? He's very huge and he can play the shit out of the drums and wont complain a bit.

I dunno. Maybe I'm being too strict. He did like my music alot but, I've had some way better drummers than him in my time.

[docjay]

maybe after working on his stamina, he could still be a valuable addition to your project? but for any other matter: no. my opinion.

[Der Kate]

if it doesn't work it doesn't work

[Sambuca]

had to shit

[Zombi3]

In my band experience, drummers are hard to come by and are often hard to deal with. My friend Philip is an excellent drummer but during band practice he gets a bit out of control. We were kind of a strange band, though. He was a Jazz drummer, our guitarist was a metal head, I was the desert rocker bassist, and our vocalist was into punk. Made for quite the interesting live shows, I'll tell ya. We haven't played with each other for the last two years because we've been all over the states with college and such. I really miss being in a band, especially a band with good friends. Er, to get back on track. Yeah, drummers are a real hit and miss.

Nobody can compare to my babydolldrummer though.

(P.S., one of my old band's best songs was written while the guitarist was taking a shit and we moved the drums and bass next to the bathroom door and just started playing. So not all shits are bad.)

[thejackyl]

In my experience, if the guy's a problem in the audition, he's only going to be a bigger problem later on.  You can do better than that guy, I'm sure.

[xXThirdManXx]

eeppp

[thejackyl]

If you weren't feeling it in your gut, don't go for it. Especially if he has low self-esteem. If he can't be on for an audition then what the hell is he gonna do for a live show?

word

[Alter ego: Ash]

Sounds fine, stick with him, try not to hurt anyone's feelings.





*sinks your any possibility of career with terrible advice*

[nurse_kagome]

I can't believe I am up this late, but since I am, I might as well put in my two cents.

I would not feel bad at all.  An audition is exactly that....an audition.  You don't pick the first guy you see unless you are really feeling him/her or if they are fantasticly talented unstopable drumming machine.  (I know drummers are hard to come by, but someone better will come along.)  The guy seriously sounds like a train wreck, and you can't help him until he wants to be helped.  Just let him down nicely and tell him you'll keep him in mind for the future and encourage him to keep practicing.  If you weren't feeling it, chances are he didn't feel it either, so it probably isn't going to be a big suprise anyways.

[Sonja713]

he was out of breath, had to shit, etc

Uh...gross

[Sonja713]

.

[Edna 90]

he's out of practise.

thats usually the reason why you would find yourself out of breath.
whether you're skinny or overweight.

if he sounds whiny, dont bother with him. he'll always be whiny.

zombie...
sweetheart

[shades]

he was out of breath, had to shit, etc

Uh...gross

Thank you, and that's exactly how I felt. I've got a very visual and overactive mind and when it comes to gathering thoughts of a huge guy needing to take a shit, it's very serious bidness. I don't think of him bringing a newspaper to handle his bidness, I think of him bringing a thick ass hardback dictionary in there and reading it all.

I think a huge guy will leave behind a huge pile. Very similar to the one on Conker's bad fur day, the singing pile with sweet corn everywhere.

*turns green*

[shades]

and thanks for spelling "esteem" correctly. Man was a wasted when I wrote this.

"beats self in head with dictionary"

Hey, that was the same dictionary he used in the bathroom. Blaaaarghbarf.

[qotsapprentice]

So I've been on the prowl seriously for drummers and shit and I finally found one and I auditioned one last week. Firstly, he just didnt bring the goods. No band experience as a drummer at all and he was very much so an ameture.

Sure, no problems with all that. We all start as ametuers. I'm more than wiling to help cause I've got some knowledge behind the drums.

Mainly the reason why I thought he wouldnt do good is cause he was like 180lbs overweight. First off, don't recognize me as being discrimitive towards overweight people cause currently I'm a good 15lbs over but I always work it off for the summer. I was also once 120lbs over due to a very bad first marriage.

Thing is, he kept making it an issue during practice. Constantly saying that he was out of breath, had to shit, etc and wad really making the session a downer. After that, that was all he talked about. No mention of how he could do better for the music.

I just looked at it as a low self esteme issue. If you can recognize these problems then take care of them and show more motivation. Believe me, ive been there.

Remember my friend that almost got robbed by some guy with a tire iron? He's very huge and he can play the shit out of the drums and wont complain a bit.

I dunno. Maybe I'm being too strict. He did like my music alot but, I've had some way better drummers than him in my time.

dude in my experience if a drummer starts of off a whinging mofo he'll stay that way. That said, I'd keep him on for a few more jams and see how they turn out. As for being out of shape, only regular practise will get him back into shape. Stick with him for a few more jams see how he shapes up thats being fair on him at least.

[Crone]

So I've been on the prowl seriously for drummers and shit and I finally found one and I auditioned one last week. Firstly, he just didnt bring the goods. No band experience as a drummer at all and he was very much so an ameture.

Sure, no problems with all that. We all start as ametuers. I'm more than wiling to help cause I've got some knowledge behind the drums.

Mainly the reason why I thought he wouldnt do good is cause he was like 180lbs overweight. First off, don't recognize me as being discrimitive towards overweight people cause currently I'm a good 15lbs over but I always work it off for the summer. I was also once 120lbs over due to a very bad first marriage.

Thing is, he kept making it an issue during practice. Constantly saying that he was out of breath, had to shit, etc and wad really making the session a downer. After that, that was all he talked about. No mention of how he could do better for the music.

I just looked at it as a low self esteme issue. If you can recognize these problems then take care of them and show more motivation. Believe me, ive been there.

Remember my friend that almost got robbed by some guy with a tire iron? He's very huge and he can play the shit out of the drums and wont complain a bit.

I dunno. Maybe I'm being too strict. He did like my music alot but, I've had some way better drummers than him in my time.

fuck him get rid of him ... I think it's cause you judged him in his weight that you feel a need to give him a chance , but has Johnny Cocksman said "if the drummer don't fit , get rid of his ass"

Seriously though the weight of a drummer dosen't really matter check out Gene Hoglan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Hoglan

[thejackyl]

So I've been on the prowl seriously for drummers and shit and I finally found one and I auditioned one last week. Firstly, he just didnt bring the goods. No band experience as a drummer at all and he was very much so an ameture.

Sure, no problems with all that. We all start as ametuers. I'm more than wiling to help cause I've got some knowledge behind the drums.

Mainly the reason why I thought he wouldnt do good is cause he was like 180lbs overweight. First off, don't recognize me as being discrimitive towards overweight people cause currently I'm a good 15lbs over but I always work it off for the summer. I was also once 120lbs over due to a very bad first marriage.

Thing is, he kept making it an issue during practice. Constantly saying that he was out of breath, had to shit, etc and wad really making the session a downer. After that, that was all he talked about. No mention of how he could do better for the music.

I just looked at it as a low self esteme issue. If you can recognize these problems then take care of them and show more motivation. Believe me, ive been there.

Remember my friend that almost got robbed by some guy with a tire iron? He's very huge and he can play the shit out of the drums and wont complain a bit.

I dunno. Maybe I'm being too strict. He did like my music alot but, I've had some way better drummers than him in my time.

dude in my experience if a drummer starts of off a whinging mofo he'll stay that way. That said, I'd keep him on for a few more jams and see how they turn out. As for being out of shape, only regular practise will get him back into shape. Stick with him for a few more jams see how he shapes up thats being fair on him at least.

That's terrible advice.  If he invites him back, that's a commitment.  It will only be harder and more akward to get rid of him then, and will postpone him getting a better drummer.

[qotsapprentice]

So I've been on the prowl seriously for drummers and shit and I finally found one and I auditioned one last week. Firstly, he just didnt bring the goods. No band experience as a drummer at all and he was very much so an ameture.

Sure, no problems with all that. We all start as ametuers. I'm more than wiling to help cause I've got some knowledge behind the drums.

Mainly the reason why I thought he wouldnt do good is cause he was like 180lbs overweight. First off, don't recognize me as being discrimitive towards overweight people cause currently I'm a good 15lbs over but I always work it off for the summer. I was also once 120lbs over due to a very bad first marriage.

Thing is, he kept making it an issue during practice. Constantly saying that he was out of breath, had to shit, etc and wad really making the session a downer. After that, that was all he talked about. No mention of how he could do better for the music.

I just looked at it as a low self esteme issue. If you can recognize these problems then take care of them and show more motivation. Believe me, ive been there.

Remember my friend that almost got robbed by some guy with a tire iron? He's very huge and he can play the shit out of the drums and wont complain a bit.

I dunno. Maybe I'm being too strict. He did like my music alot but, I've had some way better drummers than him in my time.

dude in my experience if a drummer starts of off a whinging mofo he'll stay that way. That said, I'd keep him on for a few more jams and see how they turn out. As for being out of shape, only regular practise will get him back into shape. Stick with him for a few more jams see how he shapes up thats being fair on him at least.

That's terrible advice.  If he invites him back, that's a commitment.  It will only be harder and more akward to get rid of him then, and will postpone him getting a better drummer.

inviting him back for a couple more jams isnt a commitment at all. You cant tell how a drummer will be in just one jam, I dont think anyway. Give him a bit more of a chance and if it dont work kick out give him the boot. Drummers are hard to find and you need to be sure if this one aint gonna work out before you start looking for a new one. It doesnt have to be awkward, just tell him you gave him more than a fair chance and it dint work out . Thats what i'd do (and HAVE done) in the past.

[shades]

and see, I'm thankful for all the positive advice I'm getting from you guys.

I'm also feeling maybe I should lighten up. I just came back from a very demanding military esque job and I really didn't want to drag everything with me into music that way but, I do feel the need to be so in some matters.

I'll give his perks. He actually listened to my songs. Enjoyed them and was really hyped in a matter of speaking to him. He explains to me about him being an am. That actually gets me going cause I'm all about sharing knowledge and learning. That's what makes music interesting. He also has a good background of musical interest.

I've had some guitarists come for auditions and if you were to ask them who their favorite band was, they'd probably reply with Skynard, David Lee R, Whitesnake, and Stryper.

[Garfunk M. Rafferty]

180lbs overweight? Fucking hell, he's basically carrying me around. The fact of the matter is, regardless of weight if someone is out of breath after playing drums it means they're out of practice/lack stamina. There are much heavier guys who still fucking kill on drums. Tell him to get his ass to the gym, do some fucking cardio.

[thejackyl]

I'll give his perks. He actually listened to my songs. Enjoyed them and was really hyped in a matter of speaking to him. He explains to me about him being an am. That actually gets me going cause I'm all about sharing knowledge and learning. That's what makes music interesting. He also has a good background of musical interest.

Well then he would make a great fan.  I'm sure you guys will have fun chatting it up after the shows.

[QOTSAkitty]

If you weren't feeling it in your gut, don't go for it. Especially if he has low self-esteem. If he can't be on for an audition then what the hell is he gonna do for a live show?

seconded