109 replies to this topic

[AnDi-ChRiSt]

not if you do it right.

[thejackyl]

it's only boring when people have little to nothing to say about them, Holte. A person figuring out why they like the drums can actually help them elevate their palette and expand their awareness. Indeed music is the gift that keeps on giving.

Wow, Andi actually said something smart about music.  I'm impressed.

[HolteEnder]

well, then I guess you're an asshole then.

carry on.

tell me something i dont know

i study music as a degree and have to talk about it in everything i do

it's DULL. 95% of music doesnt need to be explained

[AnDi-ChRiSt]

sounds like you picked the wrong major then.


I've never found any aspect of music dull. Even the music I don't jive to quickly.

Especially the music I don't jive to quickly.

[HolteEnder]

OBVIOUSLY I DID

well no, i didnt. music itself is an amazing creation, it's spoilt when people talk about it.

only people involved in the creative process have a right to discuss it. nobody else.

[AnDi-ChRiSt]

why? because if you show the audience your tricks then you'll have to come up with new ones?


booo

[HolteEnder]

you know exactly why, andrew, don't PLAY DUMB

[Tenacious Z]

I just don't get your point of view, Holte. What about films and books? Does talking about metaphors and the little details ruin them as well? How can recognizing what makes something great and exciting lessen one's enjoyment of it, rather than increase it?

When a drummer leads a crash of the hi-hat into the next beat, that creates a sensation of forward momentum, tension and release. But you still feel it. Knowledge doesn't negate emotional impact - otherwise, musicians would get bored playing the music they wrote.

Nobody would be able to trust another about music recommendations if they couldn't explain it. Imagine a world where everyone said "this is good" or "this is bad." You would ignore all the bad comments and never hear anything challenging or new, and there would be a massive flood of stuff you don't like but people have recommended to you, because they have no basis to compare and separate.

Remember Ratatouille? All the rats eat garbage because they don't think about it and simply don't care. Remy tries to explain what makes great food great, but nobody understands because all they've ever known is indiscriminate crap. The same principle applies to everything - fashion, music, movies.

I asked a customer the other day if he'd seen Inception. He said it was alright, and I asked him what he didn't like about it. He got angry, said "I didn't say I didn't like it, I said it was alright," and proceeded to move along in a huff. If you don't challenge perception, there's no impetus for change, creativity languishes, and growth stagnates.

Not discussing it is a fucking dangerous road, my friend, and that road leads to Idiotville.

[Stickman]

OBVIOUSLY I DID

well no, i didnt. music itself is an amazing creation, it's spoilt when people talk about it.

only people involved in the creative process have a right to discuss it. nobody else.

Not sure if you're joking, but I'm a pretty firm believer in all art being understood through subjective relationships. If it's solely about the artist and the work created, it's only artistic masturbation. The relationship between the work created and the listener, viewer or reader is a vital part of the meaning, importance and popularity of any artistic achievement, imo. Not that I'm against masturbation in the slightest, it's just sterile and a bit awkward to be around as an outsider.

[AnDi-ChRiSt]

I think what Holte is saying Z, is that he believes that to examine and intellectualize something too much, demystifies it and takes away it's magic. I agree with him, to a certain degree. There does seem to be a marked trait of cynicism in most of the artists that I've met, after years of honing their craft.

But I'm ultimately of the hope that with a more widespread interest in analysis(as well as visceral experience), the overall mean awareness of a population should rise. This is a good thing on a societal scale.

[thejackyl]

If more people took the time to think about music, they wouldn't waste their time listening to pop drivel like Lady GaGa because they would realize that it SUCKS.  So I'm all for it.

[AnDi-ChRiSt]

hey now

even "sucky" music has its merits. Like reflecting the temperament and values(or lack thereof)of an audience. But yeah, that's essentially what I think, J.

[thejackyl]

hey now

even "sucky" music has its merits. Like reflecting the temperament and values(or lack thereof)of an audience.

*shrug* well, art does reflect society.

[StrangeLight]

Not that I'm against masturbation in the slightest, it's just sterile and a bit awkward to be around as an outsider.

agreed. this is why we should have messy dirty sex.

[thejackyl]

Not that I'm against masturbation in the slightest, it's just sterile and a bit awkward to be around as an outsider.

agreed. this is why we should have messy dirty sex.

Well I'm glad we got that sorted out.

[Tenacious Z]

I think what Holte is saying Z, is that he believes that to examine and intellectualize something too much, demystifies it and takes away it's magic. I agree with him, to a certain degree. There does seem to be a marked trait of cynicism in most of the artists that I've met, after years of honing their craft.

But I'm ultimately of the hope that with a more widespread interest in analysis(as well as visceral experience), the overall mean awareness of a population should rise. This is a good thing on a societal scale.

I understand that and I agree with it too (there are those who say that AC/DC are terrible because they're simple - fuck them, music is about expression
), but to completely shut out discussion isn't a good thing - it leads to unwavering belief in one thing, and a refusal to listen to other ideas or opinions. Apply this principle to religion, and you get the Westboro Baptist Church. They can't discuss their beliefs with you, they can only tell you you're wrong and try to change you.

I'm not saying that everyone should analyze music deeply - music is for everyone, and it is about emotion and expression, things which can be felt by everyone. But if you fail to devote some amount of attention to it, it becomes useless.

[Sgt.SidSaavill]

while this thread got all deep

il' still weigh in on my feeling on hispanic

i like it

there is a feeling to it a git' er done vibe that i relate to my work , when im working , in hard work , in over work  and in caffeine and feeding in/out energy

something like that plays at my most "on" moments of the day when its about taking on a project and kicking it in the face.

[Sgt.SidSaavill]

P. S

Lightning Song is too granola for me

[Tenacious Z]

Context is pretty important when it comes to music, in what accompanies the song and in which situation the song is being heard. It's interesting to note that you play it most in situations where you're not concentrating on the music itself but a different task. And hey, maybe that's what they were after.

[Tenacious Z]

it's spoilt when people talk about it.

I would also like to point out that this is exactly what Insane Clown Posse were expressing with "Miracles."

[Sgt.SidSaavill]

Context is pretty important when it comes to music, in what accompanies the song and in which situation the song is being heard. It's interesting to note that you play it most in situations where you're not concentrating on the music itself but a different task. And hey, maybe that's what they were after.

thinking about it though, its not so much that ive listened to it in that manner, if i have i cant remember.

but when listening to it as in , laying in bed , actually listening to it , what i like about it is it evokes the same feelings i get and energy of when i am kicking ass at something. like that song would be the sound of my energy. if it had one.

[thejackyl]

it's spoilt when people talk about it.

I would also like to point out that this is exactly what Insane Clown Posse were expressing with "Miracles."

You can't even HOLD music, Z.

[Tenacious Z]

It's just there in the air.

I don't wanna talk to a musician, y'all motherfuckers lyin', gettin' me pissed.

[Tatonka Blanco]

what about the idea that rather than critique you should just go out and make it how you want it, windbags?

[thejackyl]

what about the idea that rather than critique you should just go out and make it how you want it, windbags?

This is a classic example of completely missing the point. Take notes!

[Brian Damage]

what about the idea that rather than critique you should just go out and make it how you want it, windbags?

This is a classic example of completely missing the point. Take notes!

It's my fault, I should have put this thread in the QOTSA section of the forum. This section is for bullshit, and I feel awful that the bandwidth has been misused.

[Tenacious Z]

Conversation probably wouldn't have been as interesting, though.

[Brian Damage]

Ya reckon? It was to protect you, kiddo. Those fanboys/girls would have hacked down your addy and given you more viruses than a $5.00 hooker in Bangkok.

[Tenacious Z]

I was under the impression that most of the longtime QOTSA fans were down here.

[Brian Damage]

I was under the impression that most of the longtime QOTSA fans were down here.

You are impressionable, but astute. Thta's the difference between the two places, fans here, rabid fanboys and girls up there.