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[thejackyl]

I like documentaries and all, but Ken Burns' shit bores me.

[Niandra Lades]

at least we're all not nazi's right? i've been watching part of this shit  pretty interesting a lot of footage i like

yeah cause we'd be all nazis if it wasnt for USA or did you mean here in the other side of the ocean are we all nazis?
everybody was nazy in germany during the second world war actually EVERyone! juts like now!


I dunno I am the only one who thinks that sometimes things end by themselves, like some evens precipitate another ones without anyone being the responsible, like if it existed a autonomic system that makes things work and we just play around following it without know
and that's why Roman imperium ended or why the third Reich fell..like if world woked by circles that man can't control, and yeah wars in between, goverments, everything..happens but we can dominate it. it works by itself, something like economy

then is when we try to explain this events and we invent or read the history, outside of it but trying to find a reason that  justificates  our place in this system.

[TheAceRock.]

at least we're all not nazi's right?

speak for yourself.

[Niandra Lades]

hahaha

[Kickstand27]

at least we're all not nazi's right? i've been watching part of this shit  pretty interesting a lot of footage i like

yeah cause we'd be all nazis if it wasnt for USA or did you mean here in the other side of the ocean are we all nazis?
everybody was nazy in germany during the second world war actually EVERyone! juts like now!


I dunno I am the only one who thinks that sometimes things end by themselves, like some evens precipitate another ones without anyone being the responsible, like if it existed a autonomic system that makes things work and we just play around following it without know
and that's why Roman imperium ended or why the third Reich fell..like if world woked by circles that man can't control, and yeah wars in between, goverments, everything..happens but we can dominate it. it works by itself, something like economy

then is when we try to explain this events and we invent or read the history, outside of it but trying to find a reason that  justificates  our place in this system.

i have no idea what you just said

[Niandra Lades]

I just lisened myself and I sound quite..esoteric
like if I believe in destiny or something

man King Edipo didn't teach me anything? you make your own destiny, know yourself


anyway hmm I guess it hard to me to explain that but you know how Economy works? how the capitalism works? well I think about the whole world and history as that like some power we can't control, like ir works by itself,
mechanism of events?
structuralism?  anyone get me? please help!

[StrangeLight]

you think history is cyclical or has a definite end point? history is teleological, has a goal or end point that it's progressing towards, and the actions of man are outside of the forces of history?


some historians go with that. that stuff happens or is unavoidable, that humans are cogs in the universe's plan for unfolding (yes, historians get that metaphysical). i don't buy it, though. i think human beings are actors who are faced with decisions that they make. their choices impact real things. i don't like denying human beings their agency.

[Niandra Lades]

yeah but I dont really mean that
I think yeah we act and make things happen..but its like things just arrive at one point they end, something arrive to their high point and then fall
some kind of gravity? we make this events then they end like in some kind of physical reaction

[Sweet Thing]

I'm not a big believer in that either.  

I don't believe "destiny" killed all those people over those years while "destiny" allowed others to live.

[Niandra Lades]

for fuck sake I didnt mean that at all dude

[StrangeLight]

sorry. but then i have no idea what you were trying to say.


that history is governed by forces the same way economics are?

[Sweet Thing]

I don't think you have made much sense at all here in this thread NL.  Not to hurt your feelings but your repeated reference to an underlying disdain towards America's involvement in this war is pretty much shadowing everything you type in this one.

[Niandra Lades]

well english is not my first language and I know I make not sense at all here
sorry
forget it