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[Stonerb0ner]

Another badd ass fact about gene :

well not a fact...just check out those 10+ min. versions of You Cant Quit me Baby......eargasms baby...

weird thing is that qotsa only did those monster jams in the Brandon/Gene era...

[imhotep]

You people can't be serious, or you don't know a fucking thing about drumming.

Why am I thinking the same thing about you?

[imhotep]

Another badd ass fact about gene :

well not a fact...just check out those 10+ min. versions of You Cant Quit me Baby......eargasms baby...

weird thing is that qotsa only did those monster jams in the Brandon/Gene era...

They jammed with Alfredo and with Dave too.

[IWouldKnow]

You people can't be serious, or you don't know a fucking thing about drumming.

Actually, I AM A DRUMMER.

Joey ranks last on my list for the following:

He's never once accented any 8th notes on his hi-hat that I know of. Talk about repetitious after a while. He is also very inconsistent with his power... he looks like he's playing SOO HARD all the time, but have you listened to Over The Years?? Half the time he hits his crash cymbals so softly (even though it looks like he's nailing them) because he's trying to play so super fast at the same time, that he can't maintain enough power to hit it fully, and sometimes his crash hits end up sounding like ride pings.

While we're on the subject of speed, ever heard his triplets fill bridging the 1st chorus into the 2nd verse of Mexicola? Talk about a volume droupout. Again, he's trying to play way faster than he should, and he loses power.

That, and on some songs, he just generally plays way too fast. I realize live songs should be faster than studio versions, but holy shit... GWTF on the live CD is too fucking fast to listen to in my opinion (although I think he's slowed it down a bit, I didn't notice it being too fast when I saw them on 8/4). That, and he plays Song For The Dead and Headache way too fuckin' fast. Faster than even a live version should be.

Now, don't get me wrong. Joey's a fine drummer. He gets the job done. He's creative. But he ranks at the bottom of MY list for THOSE reasons. He's just not as good as the others were, in my opinion.

But don't go talking shit about "you must not know shit about drumming, OMG OMG" because you're in WAY over your head.

[IWouldKnow]

Another badd ass fact about gene :

well not a fact...just check out those 10+ min. versions of You Cant Quit me Baby......eargasms baby...

weird thing is that qotsa only did those monster jams in the Brandon/Gene era...

They jammed with Alfredo and with Dave too.

Didn't they jam with Joey too?

[sangreal]

Another badd ass fact about gene :

well not a fact...just check out those 10+ min. versions of You Cant Quit me Baby......eargasms baby...

weird thing is that qotsa only did those monster jams in the Brandon/Gene era...

They jammed with Alfredo and with Dave too.

Didn't they jam with Joey too?

i know they did 4 or 5 years ago. but i haven't see them since.

[Regular_Dave]

that china cymbal joey abuses really pisses me off aswell

[IWouldKnow]

Yea, china cymbals should mainly be used for snare accents, in my opinion. Occasionally, more than that... But Joey builds entire grooves around the china cymbal. It does get a little old.

[monotonya]

QOTSA fans prefer former members over the new ones...

[vicfirth]

that china cymbal joey abuses really pisses me off aswell

I thought he got rid of that thing, I never used one and never really liked them to begin with. Joey is fine, its all relative. Everyone had their favorties.

Grohl was liked simply because it was one of the first times he had played drums since Nirvana. He has great style and complexity but when SFTD came out alot of people were drooling because Grohl was back behind a kit during a tour. (Alot of people forget the fact that he played everything himself on the first Foos album but thats beside the point)

Gene was liked because he can groove and jam with the best of them.

Alfredo is liked for his robot rock style and and basically being a human metronome.

And people love Jory for his speed and energy.

Lucero (don't know much about him), as far as I know never toured with them the same for Barrett Martin (who is an awesome drummer in my opinion, go  listen to the Screaming Trees or Mad Season)

Matt Cameron toured with them back in 1997 but he is loved by all for his complexity, off-time style and just kick ass-ness (He is one of my favorite drummers of all time)

[absinthe]

Now, don't get me wrong. Joey's a fine drummer. He gets the job done. He's creative. But he ranks at the bottom of MY list for THOSE reasons. He's just not as good as the others were, in my opinion.

But don't go talking shit about "you must not know shit about drumming, OMG OMG" because you're in WAY over your head.

Am I?  I'm a drummer.  Not a very good one mainly because I don't play anymore but I would hold my drum IQ up in most situations.   But at least you gave an informed response.  If it was a subjective thing, I like drummer 1 better than drummer 2... fine, but it was who was the better drummer.  That's an argument on technical merits.   I cannot agree on all points but I understand your reasoning and moreover glad you qualified it with an asterisk at the end saying "Joey's a fine drummer."  

Speed, well, that is up to the frontman to tell the band to speed up or slow down.  That's not Joey's problem.   Josh should say how he wants the song played and Joey falls in line, or he gets a new drummer.  I'm going to hazard a guess that Josh wanted the speed up and that's how he wants Joey to play.  Almost all drummers are going to have the problems you describe playing at speed.

Just imagine what Alfredo's versions of all the EV songs would have been.  Talk about a fucking snoozefest.

...  China cymbal, I guess I agree on the usage but it doesn't seem to get old to me.

[imhotep]

Another badd ass fact about gene :

well not a fact...just check out those 10+ min. versions of You Cant Quit me Baby......eargasms baby...

weird thing is that qotsa only did those monster jams in the Brandon/Gene era...

They jammed with Alfredo and with Dave too.

Didn't they jam with Joey too?

Not as much. Very rarely.

[IWouldKnow]

Am I?  I'm a drummer.

Well, no, I suppose not then. I guess I'm guilty of assuming you weren't a drummer just like you probably assumed I wasn't a drummer. Haha. Oh well, no hard feelings.

I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree. Because you make some good points as well. Alfredo can be boring too, he gets extra points from me though, because I think he's incredibly gifted technically.

Besides, even if Joey is at the bottom of the QOTSA list (its all personal preference anyways), it's not like he sucks. It's like having to choose between five sports cars that are all very nice and have their own good features. Joey just tickles my eardrums less than the rest. I do like alot of his stuff, though. I even ripped off the main beat from Tangled Up In Plaid to play in a small section of one of my bands' songs, haha.

[Sambuca]

Another badd ass fact about gene :

well not a fact...just check out those 10+ min. versions of You Cant Quit me Baby......eargasms baby...

weird thing is that qotsa only did those monster jams in the Brandon/Gene era...

They jammed with Alfredo and with Dave too.

Didn't they jam with Joey too?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La4w_r6HPls

[nofatguyhere]

Man, the gene trautman thread is still going? i expected to read his life story when i saw it was 6 pages long...

I know the disscussion on joey as a drummer has been beaten to death ever since he joined the band, but I'm a drummer(too) so I thought I'd chime in...Personally I like joey a whole lot.  At first I was always trying to find ways to dislike him, but after seeing him more and more, I can't help but like him.  He may not be as tight as the others were, but to me he's the most creative of the bunch.  I like creativity.

GWTF on the live CD is too fucking fast to listen to in my opinion (although I think he's slowed it down a bit, I didn't notice it being too fast when I saw them on 8/4).

I didn't like the live version of it either at first, but I would think if you were going into play a show knowing that it was going to be filmed and recorded for a major live release, you would probably wanna give the most intense performance you could. Josh is a big advocate for breathing new life into older songs, so I'm pretty sure he also had some influence in the tempo. I mean, who wants to have a live version of one of your most straight-forward songs at album speed? I remember Josh stopping in the middle of a song at a show i went to and bitching at joey to speed up  

Just imagine what Alfredo's versions of all the EV songs would have been. Talk about a fucking snoozefest.

Yup

... China cymbal, I guess I agree on the usage but it doesn't seem to get old to me.

I remember loving chinas when i first heard them.  Then I would go to hardcore shows and hear them used way too much.  After that my musical tastes grew up, and I didn't take bands who used them seriously.  Seeing josh use a china for eodm helped me accept the china again.  I prefer the smaller sizes as opposed to the large ones (especially if they have those sizzle nails in them...ewww)

[absinthe]

Well, no, I suppose not then. I guess I'm guilty of assuming you weren't a drummer just like you probably assumed I wasn't a drummer. Haha. Oh well, no hard feelings.

It was a little kneejerk on my part to defend Joey ... I probably could have said something less insulting anyway.  My bad

Besides, even if Joey is at the bottom of the QOTSA list (its all personal preference anyways), it's not like he sucks. It's like having to choose between five sports cars that are all very nice and have their own good features. Joey just tickles my eardrums less than the rest. I do like alot of his stuff, though. I even ripped off the main beat from Tangled Up In Plaid to play in a small section of one of my bands' songs, haha.

agreed.  i wouldn't even try to humiliate myself by playing any of that.  all of my drumming muscles have long since atrophied and at best i can talk about drumming as if i was ever truly good at it.  my one true talent is debate, drumming is a distant second.

it's great though, to see some of these tier-1 drummers going into their 40s and 50s and being as good as ever.  charlie watts looks like a corpse with sticks, but he's still at it.  good on him.  

[Alter ego: Ash]

You know, I'd love to be cool and underground, but I can't deny that I love dave's drumming. I've always felt his complimented the music in way that the other drummer's didn't.

I'm just a sucker for his heavy deep sloppy style. Not the first time I've said that today, if you know what I mean...

[fifiroxy]

Gene is much more creative and interesting than Ghrol
in my opinion
from what I heard the reasons he left QOTSA were nothing to do with " Availability"
I would be happy if he started playing with them again
I mean you can have more than one drummer in a band!

[604qotsa]

Gene is much more creative and interesting than Ghrol
in my opinion
from what I heard the reasons he left QOTSA were nothing to do with " Availability"
I would be happy if he started playing with them again
I mean you can have more than one drummer in a band!

Any reason in particular you bumped this thread from 4 1/2 years ago?

Just wanted to show some more respect to Gene?

[CokboyDeluxeJR]

Fuck gene.  He was lackluster as hell.  Also he couldn't handle those Deaf beats.  
He got the demotion to the Eagles and couldn't handle it I guess.  They even nicknamed him "The Teen Dream"

[Sambuca]

absinthe is the new QOTSA drummer.  It took Josh five years to finally see absinthe's talents shining so brightly in his text.  

And for the next album, they might just record absinthe's talking about how great the QOTSA album would have been if he made it all himself.  I mean that's basically the equivalent of a great album.  For the hidden song at the end, he will tell us how he had the insight to know he would make a great QOTSA album.  

If you want a teaser, read all absinthe's posts on this forum.   It seriously put me in a trance, so they are bringing back the trance robots.

[CokboyDeluxeJR]

I'd be stoked if he went back and re-recorded everything for Josh and Co.  Playing all the instruments himself.

[peabrain]

Gene is much more creative and interesting than Ghrol
in my opinion
from what I heard the reasons he left QOTSA were nothing to do with " Availability"
I would be happy if he started playing with them again
I mean you can have more than one drummer in a band!

Any reason in particular you bumped this thread from 4 1/2 years ago?

Just wanted to show some more respect to Gene?

that's her 'schtick' bumping old useless threads, aka being a fucking twit.

[sloburnt]

I like reading the oldies. We's ain't all get to em til after it's cool

[CokboyDeluxeJR]

Gene is much more creative and interesting than Ghrol
in my opinion
from what I heard the reasons he left QOTSA were nothing to do with " Availability"
I would be happy if he started playing with them again
I mean you can have more than one drummer in a band!

Any reason in particular you bumped this thread from 4 1/2 years ago?

Just wanted to show some more respect to Gene?

that's her 'schtick' bumping old useless threads, aka being a fucking twit.

Are you sure it's a chick?  
I don't think so.
I know a dick when I see one.

[fifiroxy]

Gene is much more creative and interesting than Ghrol
in my opinion
from what I heard the reasons he left QOTSA were nothing to do with " Availability"
I would be happy if he started playing with them again
I mean you can have more than one drummer in a band!

Any reason in particular you bumped this thread from 4 1/2 years ago?

Just wanted to show some more respect to Gene?

I didn't read this thread at the time it was made and didn't even know it was from 4 yrs ago
Other people were looking at it so I was curious about it
And I happened to have an opinion
So I voiced it
I'm sorry it's so Conterversial/ Traumatic for people or that they even care to comment on my behaviour
I don't really understand why people think its weird to look at anything on this forum that isn't recent, specially as there is a lot less discussion or decent subjects these days
there isn't much to say about Enormos hair metal links

[fifiroxy]

Gene is much more creative and interesting than Ghrol
in my opinion
from what I heard the reasons he left QOTSA were nothing to do with " Availability"
I would be happy if he started playing with them again
I mean you can have more than one drummer in a band!

Any reason in particular you bumped this thread from 4 1/2 years ago?

Just wanted to show some more respect to Gene?

that's her 'schtick' bumping old useless threads, aka being a fucking twit.

I think you will find that the Body Building Vagina Sofa thread deserved another airing
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[Doktor]

Someone up above had it right. Gene was supposed to do most of the album but had other "committments." Bet he regrets that. So, Dave ended up doing the hole thing, except for Go With The Flow.  With respect to Alfredo, he was kind of stiff and simple, in a Phil Rudd of AC/DC kind of way. Gene had much more style and was just more interesting. Gene also has better style than Joey. Better use of cymbal if you ask me.    NOW, IF ANYONE CAN TELL ME WHAT NICK LUCERO IS UP TO THESE DAYS I'LL REALLY BE IMPRESSED.

Not that I'm trying to impress, but...

As I'm going through one of my "new" Swell CD's, I see this in the liner notes

"most of these songs were recorded in Los Angeles California at Nick Lucero's studio: www.songlabstudios.com - nick played all the drums on the album except for "comes right here" - he also played the B3 organ on "saved by summer" - cable mods and other amusements performed by charlie... "

This is from "South of the Rain and Snow".

I love Swell, and bought this two or three years ago off of their website.

I haven't been able to get into this disc, but if anyone is interested, I highly recommend: "...Well?" , "41", "Too Many Days Without Thinking", and "Whenever You're Ready". Their s/t is decent too.



It's stoner rock, but a different kind of stoner rock. More mellow. Mostly acoustic, but this is the band that got me thinking "I love lap steel".

[Mellie]

Nick Lucero is a great drummer, love his input of Rated R. Love Gene's drumming too, great stuff especially live. I wasn't fond of Joey's drumming at first, but he is on a whole new level now. For example, see his drumming on Eurockéennes '11 -> Fun Machine.

[RvD]

How come nobody mentioned the current project of Gene: Muffalo?

Saw them live six months ago... Pretty good show...