42 replies to this topic

[Sweet Thing]

See any of it?

[Sweet Thing]

September 23, 2007, OPT will premiere The War - A Film by Ken Burns.
THE WAR, a new seven-part documentary series directed and produced by Ken Burns and Lynn Novick, explores the history and horror of the Second World War from an American perspective by following the fortunes of so-called ordinary men and women who become caught up in one of the greatest cataclysms in human history.

Six years in the making, this epic 15-hour film focuses on the stories of citizens from four geographically distributed American towns - Waterbury, Connecticut; Mobile, Alabama; Sacramento, California; and the tiny farming town of Luverne, Minnesota. These four communities stand in for - and could represent - any town in the United States that went through the war's four devastating years. Individuals from each community take the viewer through their own personal and quite often harrowing journeys into war, painting vivid portraits of how the war dramatically altered their lives and those of their neighbors, as well as the country they helped to save for generations to come.

[TheAceRock.]

i've seen parts of it. i'm a big history buff, so i enjoy watching this sort of thing.

it's pretty good.

[defdan]

[quote name='Sweet Thing' date='Oct 1 2007, 08:09 PM' post='1235028']
September 23, 2007, OPT will premiere The War - A Film by Ken Burns.
THE WAR, a new seven-part documentary series directed and produced by Ken Burns and Lynn Novick, explores the history and horror of the Second World War from an American perspective

I think I can guess how that'll play out...

[Sweet Thing]

focuses on citizens from four geographically distributed American towns - Waterbury, Connecticut; Mobile, Alabama; Sacramento, California; and the tiny farming town of Luverne, Minnesota.


That would be why its from an "American Perspective".

[Niandra Lades]

I think I can guess how that'll play out...

hahaha

dude they saved the world!

[Firegrrrl]

I thought it was interesting (though nothing-nothing-beats their Frontline series)

[peabrain]

I think I can guess how that'll play out...

hahaha

dude they saved the world!

i'd love to hear you and/or dan's more accurate account of the events.

[totallybaked]

I think I can guess how that'll play out...

hahaha

dude they saved the world!

i'd love to hear you and/or dan's more accurate account of the events.

no shit - enlighten us, professor.

[Firegrrrl]

WW1 (Canadian-yay) intelligence memoranda-I'll read this shit before pot-stirring on a messageboard:

http://data4.collectionscanada.ca/netacgi/...amp;r=5&f=G

6:00 pm: approximate number of prisoners taken today: 65
6:15 pm (same day): Prisoners now total about 400

[Niandra Lades]

when you want honey when you want


sorry though I didnt want to offend anybody, its just funny to me when  sometimes it seems USA think they were who actually make the second world  war end and they were like who saved us and all that.
but anyway that was  totally pointless to say anyway
I'm sure this movie can be interesting as well

see what those people were doing at that time..etc, its always good see other visions

here for example Second War was very different as well, we were in a dictature  we just had had our civil war and we were completly fucked up we'll be fucked up for 40 years actually. world was too busy to saved us from fascism.

Howeever  every country have to have their visions and movies and documentaries about, nothing wrong about it

didnt mean to be disrespectful

[totallybaked]

WW1 (Canadian-yay) intelligence memoranda-I'll read this shit before pot-stirring on a messageboard:

http://data4.collectionscanada.ca/netacgi/...amp;r=5&f=G

6:00 pm: approximate number of prisoners taken today: 65
6:15 pm (same day): Prisoners now total about 400

oh my, there's some fun reading

  

[defdan]

I think I can guess how that'll play out...

hahaha

dude they saved the world!

i'd love to hear you and/or dan's more accurate account of the events.

no shit - enlighten us, professor.

America did not save us all from the evil Nazi's.

Sure, they had a major part in the war but a lot of other countries contributed (I'd argue that Russia had more of a positive impact on the outcome than anything the US or Britain did).

I wasn't attacking your war effort, just the portrayal of the troops in modern war films and television.

[Sweet Thing]

http://www.pbs.org/thewar/

[Sweet Thing]

Doesn't have an elitist tone to it at all Dan.  It's pretty humble.

Noone said we were the ones who destroyed the Nazi's in one giant swoop of an American arm - why is it so friggen touchy?  It's history - yours, ours, a lot of country's.  I never was under any impression that it wasn't anything but a collaborated effort.

[Niandra Lades]

America did not save us all from the evil Nazi's.

Sure, they had a major part in the war but a lot of other countries contributed (I'd argue that Russia had more of a positive impact on the outcome than anything the US or Britain did).

I wasn't attacking your war effort, just the portrayal of the troops in modern war films and television.

[totallybaked]

I think I can guess how that'll play out...

hahaha

dude they saved the world!

i'd love to hear you and/or dan's more accurate account of the events.

no shit - enlighten us, professor.

America did not save us all from the evil Nazi's.

Sure, they had a major part in the war but a lot of other countries contributed (I'd argue that Russia had more of a positive impact on the outcome than anything the US or Britain did).

I wasn't attacking your war effort, just the portrayal of the troops in modern war films and television.

the whole point of this series is to interview the last remaning vets on their war experience before they've all died and it's all left up to historians who were not there.  at least that's what Ken Burns (and his toupee) said on Bill Maher.
it's got nothing to do with portrayals of troops in movies and tv.

[defdan]

I think I can guess how that'll play out...

hahaha

dude they saved the world!

i'd love to hear you and/or dan's more accurate account of the events.

no shit - enlighten us, professor.

America did not save us all from the evil Nazi's.

Sure, they had a major part in the war but a lot of other countries contributed (I'd argue that Russia had more of a positive impact on the outcome than anything the US or Britain did).

I wasn't attacking your war effort, just the portrayal of the troops in modern war films and television.

the whole point of this series is to interview the last remaning vets on their war experience before they've all died and it's all left up to historians who were not there.  at least that's what Ken Burns (and his toupee) said on Bill Maher.
it's got nothing to do with portrayals of troops in movies and tv.

Then fair play, I retract my smartass statement  ;)

[CJ]

here for example Second War was very different as well, we were in a dictature  we just had had our civil war and we were completly fucked up we'll be fucked up for 40 years actually. world was too busy to saved us from fascism.

Yeah, too busy sending Franco weapons and closing the borders to those who wanted to go and help the Republic.

[StrangeLight]

I totally disagree, without American manpower and more importantly Americas industrial might the Nazis probaby would have won.

Anyways, I haven't been watching this show.

i'd argue that america was essential to the pacific theatre's victory, but then europe wasn't heavily involved in the war with japan anyway. in the european theatre, there's plenty of evidence to suggest that by the time the US entered the war, russia had decimated the eastern front and the allies were steadily chipping away at the west. the US's efforts certainly sped up the axis' defeat, but (to be counterfactual for a moment) eventually the allies would've cleaned up the west as well. of course, russia would've likely pushed even further east and when the political divisions were created at the end of the war, even more of europe would've gone under soviet control.

you're right to suggest, though, that before the US ever entered the war they were providing essential material support to the allied forces in terms of industry. but i still don't think that it was quite strong enough to assert that the nazis "probably" would have won. just would have been longer and much, much messier than it already was.

[eyes]

I wish I could hurry up and invent an interdimensional/time travel machine
so I could go to the reality where the US didn't get involved and see how it plays out

I think big band music would have suffered greatly, not to mention Marylin Monroe
also alot of men in Navy uniforms wouldn't have gotten laid

[StrangeLight]

I wish I could hurry up and invent an interdimensional/time travel machine
so I could go to the reality where the US didn't get involved and see how it plays out

I think big band music would have suffered greatly, not to mention Marylin Monroe
also alot of men in Navy uniforms wouldn't have gotten laid

well yeah, that's why i don't put a whole lotta stock in counterfactual history. because it don't mean shit really.

[Niandra Lades]

that doesnt have to do with this but its an example of how easily manipulable is population when it comes to some specific topics related with History events
here in spain still people think that if we have a democracy is because the Monarchy  cause when Franco died and after the democracy was instated there was another assault in the government by the army and it was to make  back to the power the dictatorial regime, however our current King said not to that and the army had to back off. okay well now people think that if we are in a democracy is because we have a king and a monarchy when hmmm the monarchy itself is a sign of anti-democracy..cause well they are here it supose for the Glory of God and that

my point is that population always will believe whatever

I heard a man said today " The King gave his life for spain for us"
muahaha yeah and we all  spend our miserable life working to give him a good holidays in Mallorca

sorry off topic totally

and sorry to not be able to talk about history and politics properly wish I could explain myself better...
not lack of knowledge is more a language barrier I'm afraid

[eyes]

didn't Cha go to Mallorca??

He is swine, just like your King

[Kickstand27]

I think I can guess how that'll play out...

hahaha

dude they saved the world!

i'd love to hear you and/or dan's more accurate account of the events.

no shit - enlighten us, professor.

America did not save us all from the evil Nazi's.

Sure, they had a major part in the war but a lot of other countries contributed (I'd argue that Russia had more of a positive impact on the outcome than anything the US or Britain did).

I wasn't attacking your war effort, just the portrayal of the troops in modern war films and television.

many countries had a role?  

is that why it was called a world war?  

[KingShamus]

Without American technology and materiel support, the Soviet Union would've been fucked in the asshole with no lube.  

The American lend-lease program with Great Britain was absolutely vital to the English war effort.

If the US decided to take a powder from the European ruckus in 1942, the Soviets and Great Britain might've been able to fight off the Axis.  And the Iron Curtain would stretch from the Pyrenees in the West to Sicily in the South and all points in between.  No Marshall Plan, no Checkpoint Charlie, no decadent West Berlin for Bowie to make fantastically coked-up records in, none of that fun shit.  Nope, just Europe in long-term vassalage to Uncle Joe's Russia.  Forced labor on a collective grape farm in Loire, anyone?

And just for shit's and giggles let's suppose the US lets that whole Pearl Harbor thing slide and chalks up the Japanese sinking the Pacific fleet to a crazy mix-up over sake recipes.  That means Hirohito & Co. get free reign in south Asia; India is put very much into play.  No Indian soldiers for the English war effort then puts a lot of stress on native Brits to do all their own fighting.

Just sayin' is all.

[rockon]

those chaser guys are funny.

[AntiAol]

at least we're all not nazi's right? i've been watching part of this shit  pretty interesting a lot of footage i like