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[XAL]

Someone kill me.

[truth freak]

and you make fun of me?!?!? mac hater!!!!!

i loooooooooooooooooooove mac

[audiosnag]

i'd love a mac if i could afford it..im tired of pc's

[XAL]

Oh wait I just looked at the dell website and the 15" XPS's...
Yeah, I can get a laptop that's better than any max configuration you can for a macbook pro for $1,000 less.
The Mac OS interface is not worth 1 thousand + fucking dollars.

What the fuck was I thinking.

[truth freak]

you are such a little fucker!

[absinthe]

Oh wait I just looked at the dell website and the 15" XPS's...
Yeah, I can get a laptop that's better than any max configuration you can for a macbook pro for $1,000 less.
The Mac OS interface is not worth 1 thousand + fucking dollars.

What the fuck was I thinking.

Yeah I see your view, and I guess I would say it depends on what you want and how much you can spend.

Macbook Pro:  $2699, 2.5GHz Intel Core2Duo, 2GB RAM (667 DDR2), 250GB HDD (5400 RPM), SuperDrive (DVD writer), NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT with 512MB
* Had to upgrade the memory to match Dell's 4GB standard (and can't be lowered)

Dell XPS M1530: $1783
* Had to upgrade the screen to match Mac's 1920*2000 hidef display, which Dell's default does not have
* Had to upgrade the wireless option to support 802.11n (which Mac has by default)

What the Dell has which the Mac does not:
* Fingerprint reader (good)
* Optional UMTS module (for cellular broadband)
* Third-party Bloatware (As if Vista isn't bad enough, they foist Microsoft Works on ppl)
* HDMI out
* Flash card reader
* Nice support included in price

What the Mac has which the Dell does not:
* one mfr for the whole thing.  no finger-pointing, "integration" issues, etc.
* DVI out
* UNIX (which for me, is worth $1000 at least) and there is only one edition of it.  There is just Leopard -- not Leopard Home Edition, Leopard Mostly-Business-But-Sometimes-At-Home Edition, etc.
* Twice as much video memory
* Higher quality display (most reviews back up the Dell's display deficiencies, if not the Mac's quality)
* Backlit keyboard (when you are in a dark room you'll wonder how you ever lived without it)
* MagSafe power
* Multiple Firewire ports
* je ne sais quoi

I'd still get the Mac in this case, but that's me.  Stuff like the UMTS module are really not an issue if you have an ExpressCard slot, which I do, and I use it for that.  A card reader would be nice to have.

[audiosnag]

i've fiddled around with both garage band on mac (free) and a program i bought for my PC..cakewalk i think it was called

cakewalk confused the ever lovin hell out of me and even when i did figure it out for some reason when i recorded music it would randomly slow down which i suspect MAY be due to my processor or something...but im not nearly pc savvy enough to figure it out...thats the day i decided i'd rather have a mac and i haven't used that program since

plus not caring about viruses or any of that crap any more is quite attractive

[XAL]

Oh wait I just looked at the dell website and the 15" XPS's...
Yeah, I can get a laptop that's better than any max configuration you can for a macbook pro for $1,000 less.
The Mac OS interface is not worth 1 thousand + fucking dollars.

What the fuck was I thinking.

Yeah I see your view, and I guess I would say it depends on what you want and how much you can spend.

Macbook Pro:  $2699, 2.5GHz Intel Core2Duo, 2GB RAM (667 DDR2), 250GB HDD (5400 RPM), SuperDrive (DVD writer), NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT with 512MB
* Had to upgrade the memory to match Dell's 4GB standard (and can't be lowered)

Dell XPS M1530: $1783
* Had to upgrade the screen to match Mac's 1920*2000 hidef display, which Dell's default does not have
* Had to upgrade the wireless option to support 802.11n (which Mac has by default)

What the Dell has which the Mac does not:
* Fingerprint reader (good)
* Optional UMTS module (for cellular broadband)
* Third-party Bloatware (As if Vista isn't bad enough, they foist Microsoft Works on ppl)
* HDMI out
* Flash card reader
* Nice support included in price

What the Mac has which the Dell does not:
* one mfr for the whole thing.  no finger-pointing, "integration" issues, etc.
* DVI out
* UNIX (which for me, is worth $1000 at least) and there is only one edition of it.  There is just Leopard -- not Leopard Home Edition, Leopard Mostly-Business-But-Sometimes-At-Home Edition, etc.
* Twice as much video memory
* Higher quality display (most reviews back up the Dell's display deficiencies, if not the Mac's quality)
* Backlit keyboard (when you are in a dark room you'll wonder how you ever lived without it)
* MagSafe power
* Multiple Firewire ports
* je ne sais quoi

I'd still get the Mac in this case, but that's me.  Stuff like the UMTS module are really not an issue if you have an ExpressCard slot, which I do, and I use it for that.  A card reader would be nice to have.

Bloatware isn't really a big problem, just nuke the fucking thing and reinstall Vista without Dell's bullshit.
I'm going to upgrade to window's 7 regardless..and Vista isn't that bad - it's terrible if you have a computer with shit specs...
If I was a rich asshole with a ton of money to waste I'd buy the mac, but I'd get more bang for my buck with a PC. (not saying all mac users are rich/assholes/rich assholes).

Why is the fact of it being Unix worth the extra 1k? I don't see what the big deal is. Bottom line is what am I paying the extra 1000 bucks for? a slightly better display? programs that i don't need and a non-office suite? I mean I get that the interface is pretty and all, but come on. And viruses can be avoided if you aren't a retard...so what's the 1k gap for?

[truth freak]

Oh wait I just looked at the dell website and the 15" XPS's...
Yeah, I can get a laptop that's better than any max configuration you can for a macbook pro for $1,000 less.
The Mac OS interface is not worth 1 thousand + fucking dollars.

What the fuck was I thinking.

Yeah I see your view, and I guess I would say it depends on what you want and how much you can spend.

Macbook Pro:  $2699, 2.5GHz Intel Core2Duo, 2GB RAM (667 DDR2), 250GB HDD (5400 RPM), SuperDrive (DVD writer), NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT with 512MB
* Had to upgrade the memory to match Dell's 4GB standard (and can't be lowered)

Dell XPS M1530: $1783
* Had to upgrade the screen to match Mac's 1920*2000 hidef display, which Dell's default does not have
* Had to upgrade the wireless option to support 802.11n (which Mac has by default)

What the Dell has which the Mac does not:
* Fingerprint reader (good)
* Optional UMTS module (for cellular broadband)
* Third-party Bloatware (As if Vista isn't bad enough, they foist Microsoft Works on ppl)
* HDMI out
* Flash card reader
* Nice support included in price

What the Mac has which the Dell does not:
* one mfr for the whole thing.  no finger-pointing, "integration" issues, etc.
* DVI out
* UNIX (which for me, is worth $1000 at least) and there is only one edition of it.  There is just Leopard -- not Leopard Home Edition, Leopard Mostly-Business-But-Sometimes-At-Home Edition, etc.
* Twice as much video memory
* Higher quality display (most reviews back up the Dell's display deficiencies, if not the Mac's quality)
* Backlit keyboard (when you are in a dark room you'll wonder how you ever lived without it)
* MagSafe power
* Multiple Firewire ports
* je ne sais quoi

I'd still get the Mac in this case, but that's me.  Stuff like the UMTS module are really not an issue if you have an ExpressCard slot, which I do, and I use it for that.  A card reader would be nice to have.

Bloatware isn't really a big problem, just nuke the fucking thing and reinstall Vista without Dell's bullshit.
I'm going to upgrade to window's 7 regardless..and Vista isn't that bad - it's terrible if you have a computer with shit specs...
If I was a rich asshole with a ton of money to waste I'd buy the mac, but I'd get more bang for my buck with a PC. (not saying all mac users are rich/assholes/rich assholes).

Why is the fact of it being Unix worth the extra 1k? I don't see what the big deal is.

i'm not rich by any means, but i am a complete and total asshole...

[XAL]

Oh wait I just looked at the dell website and the 15" XPS's...
Yeah, I can get a laptop that's better than any max configuration you can for a macbook pro for $1,000 less.
The Mac OS interface is not worth 1 thousand + fucking dollars.

What the fuck was I thinking.

Yeah I see your view, and I guess I would say it depends on what you want and how much you can spend.

Macbook Pro:  $2699, 2.5GHz Intel Core2Duo, 2GB RAM (667 DDR2), 250GB HDD (5400 RPM), SuperDrive (DVD writer), NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT with 512MB
* Had to upgrade the memory to match Dell's 4GB standard (and can't be lowered)

Dell XPS M1530: $1783
* Had to upgrade the screen to match Mac's 1920*2000 hidef display, which Dell's default does not have
* Had to upgrade the wireless option to support 802.11n (which Mac has by default)

What the Dell has which the Mac does not:
* Fingerprint reader (good)
* Optional UMTS module (for cellular broadband)
* Third-party Bloatware (As if Vista isn't bad enough, they foist Microsoft Works on ppl)
* HDMI out
* Flash card reader
* Nice support included in price

What the Mac has which the Dell does not:
* one mfr for the whole thing.  no finger-pointing, "integration" issues, etc.
* DVI out
* UNIX (which for me, is worth $1000 at least) and there is only one edition of it.  There is just Leopard -- not Leopard Home Edition, Leopard Mostly-Business-But-Sometimes-At-Home Edition, etc.
* Twice as much video memory
* Higher quality display (most reviews back up the Dell's display deficiencies, if not the Mac's quality)
* Backlit keyboard (when you are in a dark room you'll wonder how you ever lived without it)
* MagSafe power
* Multiple Firewire ports
* je ne sais quoi

I'd still get the Mac in this case, but that's me.  Stuff like the UMTS module are really not an issue if you have an ExpressCard slot, which I do, and I use it for that.  A card reader would be nice to have.

Bloatware isn't really a big problem, just nuke the fucking thing and reinstall Vista without Dell's bullshit.
I'm going to upgrade to window's 7 regardless..and Vista isn't that bad - it's terrible if you have a computer with shit specs...
If I was a rich asshole with a ton of money to waste I'd buy the mac, but I'd get more bang for my buck with a PC. (not saying all mac users are rich/assholes/rich assholes).

Why is the fact of it being Unix worth the extra 1k? I don't see what the big deal is.

i'm not rich by any means, but i am a complete and total asshole...

i've seen your ass hole.

[truth freak]

i've seen your asshole.

eeeww...you're gross!!! stop it!

[audiosnag]

did she goatse you xal?

[truth freak]

did she goatse you xal?

what does that even mean?!?!?!

stop talking about my asshole, both of you or i'm gonna ram something up yours...god damn you two.

don't make me tell you again.

[audiosnag]

im gonna let you look that one up yourself
i was gonna send you a link but im not that cruel













































...tfs asshole tfs asshole tfs asshole

[absinthe]

Why is the fact of it being Unix worth the extra 1k? I don't see what they big deal is.

Then it's not worth it to you.     and that's ok.  I can't explain "why UNIX" in this thread nor would I try to persuade anybody.  UNIX is completely irrelevant for people who don't need it.  It's very interesting to developers, potentially.   I use Linux too, but, who cares?  

Occasionally I get a kind of defensive vibe off people when they see my macbook.  Like, not as if I'm sitting in a coffee shop with it -- worse, weird/dismissive comments when I'm sitting and using it in my own residence.   I'm not sure what the fuck it's about.   I guess it's like how people judge other people by clothing labels.   It just happens to be my computer, it's not like I'm going around and advising people to buy one.   It works perfectly for what I need a computer to do.  Mac software is generally quite a bit different from how PC software is, not just in aesthetics but in function.   I wouldn't say better, it's just not the same and if you prefer it, it's better.  

I know people who love Windows XP.  Really love it.   I don't understand it, but hey, more power to them I guess.

I've met some really annoying fucking Mac owners.   People who don't do anything with the computer except drag it around to web-browse in coffee shops.  You could do the same thing with a cheap-assed $299 HP budget laptop, and spend the money you saved on learning a foreign language or something interesting.

I needed a powerful notebook (one to replace 2 desktops), UNIX and a good UI.  My Macbook Pro did all of that, and I'm happy with it.

Market share (one way or another), brand appeal or even just cheapest price is not a good way to buy technology.    Use what works best for you, within your budget.

[truth freak]

im gonna let you look that one up yourself
i was gonna send you a link but im not that cruel


...tfs asshole tfs asshole tfs asshole

*full force smashes you in the nuts with an aluminum baseball bat, then shoves it up your ass*

[audiosnag]

im gonna let you look that one up yourself
i was gonna send you a link but im not that cruel


...tfs asshole tfs asshole tfs asshole

*full force smashes you in the nuts with an aluminum baseball bat, then shoves it up your ass*

oooh my..somebody likes the rough stuff

[truth freak]

im gonna let you look that one up yourself
i was gonna send you a link but im not that cruel


...tfs asshole tfs asshole tfs asshole

*full force smashes you in the nuts with an aluminum baseball bat, then shoves it up your ass*

oooh my..somebody likes the rough stuff

careful you...keep it up and i'll just get plain mean

[gopher.18]

I stopped reading absinthe  when he said there was only one version of UNIX

[absinthe]

I stopped reading absinthe  when he said there was only one version of UNIX

Dude I know the difference.  I've probably been working with UNIX by trade before you could even spell it.

If you want to pick nits I can take you a country mile on that thread and you would lose.  I've been a kernel contributor in both SysV and BSD going back 20 years.  

Now you know more about me than I ever intended to share.

[Zombi3]

I bought my Macbook Pro over and a half ago or something like that. On top of the $2000 I spent for it, Apple wanted me to pay $350 for applecare support. Little did I know this was my only hope of getting help over the phone with somoene at Apple. After having my system take a nosedive for no reason and Apple phone support turning me down because I didn't give them more money (though they offered to let me buy the Apple Care program right there on the phone. Gee thanks.) that was strike one. Strike two was when my superdrive decided to not burn CDs/DVDs, which it still cannot do. I can't wait to see what strike three will be.

Overall, this is a nice system but holy fucking shit I don't think I'm ever going to buy Mac again. I'll hackintosh it and save myself the money.

[gopher.18]

I stopped reading absinthe  when he said there was only one version of UNIX

Dude I know the difference.  I've probably been working with UNIX by trade before you could even spell it.

If you want to pick nits I can take you a country mile on that thread and you would lose.  I've been a kernel contributor in both SysV and BSD going back 20 years.  

Now you know more about me than I ever intended to share.

Who cares if you were using it back in the day, It just makes the error even worse for saying there is only one

[audiosnag]

im gonna let you look that one up yourself
i was gonna send you a link but im not that cruel


...tfs asshole tfs asshole tfs asshole

*full force smashes you in the nuts with an aluminum baseball bat, then shoves it up your ass*

oooh my..somebody likes the rough stuff

careful you...keep it up and i'll just get plain mean

[absinthe]

I stopped reading absinthe  when he said there was only one version of UNIX

Dude I know the difference.  I've probably been working with UNIX by trade before you could even spell it.

If you want to pick nits I can take you a country mile on that thread and you would lose.  I've been a kernel contributor in both SysV and BSD going back 20 years.  

Now you know more about me than I ever intended to share.

Who cares if you were using it back in the day, It just makes the error even worse for saying there is only one

I said there was only one version of Leopard.  You might try improving your reading comprehension before calling people out.

[gopher.18]

I stopped reading absinthe  when he said there was only one version of UNIX

Dude I know the difference.  I've probably been working with UNIX by trade before you could even spell it.

If you want to pick nits I can take you a country mile on that thread and you would lose.  I've been a kernel contributor in both SysV and BSD going back 20 years.  

Now you know more about me than I ever intended to share.

Who cares if you were using it back in the day, It just makes the error even worse for saying there is only one

I said there was only one version of Leopard.  You might try improving your reading comprehension before calling people out.

It's Gopher, calling people out on the internet is likely the only way he can get an erection.

Yep, only way, viagra stopped working ages ago, before you could even spell it  

UNIX (which for me, is worth $1000 at least) and there is only one edition of it

as I said, I stopped reading after that, which means I didn't read the part about leopard/leopard home/etc.

Which still supports my earlier opinion, There is more than one UNIX system

[XAL]

I hope you're not insinuating that I'm some sort of PC elitest that buys products purely based on branding or cheap prices (I buy a product that will be dependable and is WORTH the price)...

Linux is awesome, nothing is compatible with it though...was thinking about getting a large capacity USB stick and booting Ubuntu off of it just to play around with).

I don't need to write java or code or anything, which as far as my understanding goes is much easier on a mac.
Hey now XP is a goddamn stable OS, better than Vista (if I had a choice i'd stick with my XPMCE05). (I've never had a BSOD or more than 5 crashes).
Personally I used macs up through 2002 and they have been the most petulent and frustrating computers i've ever had to use. Not to mention of my friends that own PC and mac laptops, not one of the pc's have broken down, but several of my friends with (newer) macbooks have had their HDD's die (not the user's fault) and whole laptops just crap out, one of them had 2 macbook pros die on him.
So the argument that MACs are more stable and dependable doesn't really seem all that truthful to me...

I need a laptop for word/data processing, internet, music, video, adobe suite (photoshop, illustrator), maybe animation/modeling and video editing somewhere down the line.
Most people say MACs are just the tits and creme for Adobe, Maya, video editing, what have you - but is the ease of use and dependability for those programs really that different for MAC vs PC?

Honestly I'd been using macs for my whole life until around 03 when I switched to PC, and I've had more macs die on me (both the pc's i have still work great). And my friends that have macbooks have had theirs bomb on them several times (for no damn reason, not because of negligence). Personally I find that PC's are much easier to use and easier to play around with things.

I might lean towards a MAC if they really are much better at handling those kinds of programs that I mentioned above - PS CS2 runs fine most of the time on my 3ghz p4 with 1 gig of ram...i like to use the web and WMP simultaneously with that program, but I suppose having 4GB of ram regardless of OS helps out in that regard...

I don't know why i capitilized macs like that. oh well.

[absinthe]

XAL:

I won't quote your whole thing there.  But no, if I thought you were a PC elitist, I would just call you that.  I wouldn't insinuate anything.  

Also, I forgot to mention that Apple goes a long way to antagonize PC users with these fucking ads they run.  I wish Apple would get back to the ads that have artistic merit (such as the 1984/orwellian ad which was brilliant).   I mean, take the fucking high road.  If your stuff is cool, you don't even need to do comparative advertising.  It's like drugs -- people will find out and get it any way they can.

As for Mac ownership in general... I've had many myself.  Prior to the MBP, my last mac was a PowerMac 9500 around 1995.  Then Apple went into a long, dark period where not much of anything they did was very good.  The non-Jobs era.

MacOS X came along later, and though I was tempted to buy I held back because I wasn't really keen on using PPC for a system.  I'm not a huge fan of x86 either but at least I understand it better than PPC.   Then the switch to Intel happened.   The white macbook came out, I got one, and liked that a lot but it wasn't quite powerful enough to displace my two long-running, hacked-up desktop machines (Linux and Windows XP Pro).  Then I had a display flicker problem on the white macbook and I had to go travelling for a few weeks.  So I dropped off the white macbook on the Genius Bar for repair and bought a MacBook Pro on the spot.  An hour later via firewire, I migrated all my stuff off the Macbook to the MBP.   I went on my trip, and went I got home, I put my desktop machines out to pasture for good.

So that's my story.  I guess you could hear any number of anecdotes about how good anything is.   Maybe for some people, Macs suck, but apart from that display flicker issue on the white macbook, I've never had a severe issue with Mac gear or software going back to the early 90s.   Maybe I'm lucky.

[StrangeLight]

pretty simple why i got a mac. i had two different jobs that required me to have one. had to edit on final cut. also, where i worked last summer, all their external hds were formatted for macs and wouldn't have worked with my pc laptop. they didn't tell me i needed a mac, but i was planning on getting a new laptop that year anyway, so why not get one i'd actually have to use at work?

then i started working for another guy that wanted me to use paradox to database for him. paradox is fuckin' old and they don't make it for macs, but since i've got an intel processor, i was able to install parallels and windows XP (thank god not vista) pretty easily on my mac. ta da!

i find the interface so much simpler. it fits my needs and i see no reason to go back, unless some day i need a new computer and can't afford one of these shiny ones. but i nurse my machines and they last me 4-5 years easily. my old pc laptop is now my family's main computer... my brother burned through the same model in 18 months.