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[funkypunk]

No wonder he's having a nervous breakdown, is there?

[funkypunk]

Well, i didn't think it was that bad a joke...was it?

[Howie]

who's that?

[funkypunk]

GAZZA


good riddance, fucking dirty-skinned foreigners

@Howie - it's a famous English footballer called Gazza who's just had a nervous breakdown.

[Tatonka Blanco]

THE END IS VERY FUCKING NIGH

[Howie]

tpp drunk to get into my anger at the israieli government at the moment
all i'll say is the definition of insanty is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results

[Tatonka Blanco]

stunning that people who have been milking the holocaust for sympathy for 50 years have no qualms about....keeping people in camps



i say nuke the whole motherfucker
plus then we can keep the fucking $3 billion we hand out to israel every year

[infiltrator]

... and give it to the banks.

[KingShamus]

A few observations...

The Palestinian question requires a two-state solution.  But do you give a state to people who were content to be used as symbolic clubs by the Saudis, the Egyptians or the Syrians in the past?  Do you give a country to a group that is very happy to be used as a proxy force by the Iranians now?  It would be the same thing as America letting al-Qaeda take over New Jersey in the interest of making peace with our enemies.  Sure, the state's economy would go sky-high due to mosque construction, falafel stands and clitorectomy booths over at the Garden State Plaza.  But who here really thinks that simply handing over a huge chunk of land right next door to an entity who's sole goal is to see you dead is the smart option?

RE Palestinians in camps-The reason the Palestinians are in camps is not because of Israel.  It's because the UN had no good place to put them after 1948, all the neighboring Arab countries-with the exception of Jordan-didn't want them (The Palestinians are like the smelly slack-jawed fuck-head uncle you really hate sitting next to at Christmas Dinner in the Arab sphere).  So instead of dispersing the Palestianians throughout the Middle East, which would've been the least worst option, the UN basically let them rot in camps.  The encamped Palestinian population then grew which only made the problem worse.  The Israelis basically have no choice but to keep them there.

I also like how the Israelis, who didn't break the cease-fire, are being blamed for the latest war.  It's sorta like blaming the battered wife for getting her teeth knocked out by her abusive husband because she didn't cook enough baked potatoes.  I mean, sometimes a bitch needs to get slapped around a little bit to get her attention, but only if she really has it coming, like if she forgets to marinade the pot roast or mails the credit card payment a day late.  

I get the feeling that Israel could create a Palestinian state, invent cheap clean hydrogen fuel cell technology, cure every form of cancer and help Josh make the next great QOTSA record and people would still complain about the size of their noses.  For too many people, the Israelis just can't ever be right, even when they are.  

Finally-If Hamas laid down it's weapons, there would be peace.  If the Israelis laid down their weapons, the Israelis would be massacred immediately.  You can dislike Israel for lots of reasons I guess, but what are their options?  If somebody is dumping rockets into your backyard every five minutes, what choices do you have?

[Howie]

A few observations...

The Palestinian question requires a two-state solution.  But do you give a state to people who were content to be used as symbolic clubs by the Saudis, the Egyptians or the Syrians in the past?  Do you give a country to a group that is very happy to be used as a proxy force by the Iranians now?  It would be the same thing as America letting al-Qaeda take over New Jersey in the interest of making peace with our enemies.  Sure, the state's economy would go sky-high due to mosque construction, falafel stands and clitorectomy booths over at the Garden State Plaza.  But who here really thinks that simply handing over a huge chunk of land right next door to an entity who's sole goal is to see you dead is the smart option?

RE Palestinians in camps-The reason the Palestinians are in camps is not because of Israel.  It's because the UN had no good place to put them after 1948, all the neighboring Arab countries-with the exception of Jordan-didn't want them (The Palestinians are like the smelly slack-jawed fuck-head uncle you really hate sitting next to at Christmas Dinner in the Arab sphere).  So instead of dispersing the Palestianians throughout the Middle East, which would've been the least worst option, the UN basically let them rot in camps.  The encamped Palestinian population then grew which only made the problem worse.  The Israelis basically have no choice but to keep them there.

I also like how the Israelis, who didn't break the cease-fire, are being blamed for the latest war.  It's sorta like blaming the battered wife for getting her teeth knocked out by her abusive husband because she didn't cook enough baked potatoes.  I mean, sometimes a bitch needs to get slapped around a little bit to get her attention, but only if she really has it coming, like if she forgets to marinade the pot roast or mails the credit card payment a day late.  

I get the feeling that Israel could create a Palestinian state, invent cheap clean hydrogen fuel cell technology, cure every form of cancer and help Josh make the next great QOTSA record and people would still complain about the size of their noses.  For too many people, the Israelis just can't ever be right, even when they are.  

Finally-If Hamas laid down it's weapons, there would be peace.  If the Israelis laid down their weapons, the Israelis would be massacred immediately.  You can dislike Israel for lots of reasons I guess, but what are their options?  If somebody is dumping rockets into your backyard every five minutes, what choices do you have?

my problem with it is that air strikes and a ground war, which is a disproportionate response, will just make the palestinians who are not affiliated with hamas madder, and will continue to keep hamas in power.  it's not the right response.  this is the same thing over and over again, and it's not working.  the israelis should focus on defending their cities from rocket attacks and deal with the more moderate PLO in the west bank, and hope the palestinians vote against hamas in the next election.  it's a long term solution.

[Little Matiaz Toy]

ehh... FED just want some cash for new RIDF chips or something like that...

...

i'm with Palestinians... Some of You will say that "LMT is a f***ing antysemitic, everyone  knows taht", well no. First of all i'm not antysemitic. Second, everything could be alright if not these hundreds of innocent victims, including little children and maybe even tourists, of this for sure nonsense attack on Autonomy of Palestina.

damn FED...

[Howie]

israel should bomb poland instead of palestine

[KingShamus]

palestine should bomb poland instead of israel

Fixed.

[Der Kate]

i am going to bomb poland myself

[funkypunk]

Of course, what no one has the guts to say is that the Israelis are basically a bunch of cunts. Go back to the 60s and they were proud of their genocidal actions with the Palestinians.

And Israeli doesn't equate with Jew, before anyone starts. Most Jews are not Israelis - indeed, a lot of 'em can't fucking stand the Israelis.

[Brian Damage]

stunning that people who have been milking the holocaust for sympathy for 50 years have no qualms about....keeping people in camps



i say nuke the whole motherfucker
plus then we can keep the fucking $3 billion we hand out to israel every year

Milking the Holocaust, and mercilessly hunting down anyone they can tie to a prison guard uniform. Guess they feel some sort of sense of entitlement to wipe out all opposition, eh? Wonder if the tables will ever be turned. They certainly didn't like it a few years back when two alleged Mossad agents were jailed here foe forging New Zealand passports. In fact, they got right shitty about it, and stopped talking to us.  

And Shamus, giving al Qaeda NJ is nothing like giving the Palestinians Gaza strip, unless al Qaeda is a Native American group. Your explanation of a Palestinian is racist and simplistic, not at all what I would have expected from you. By that logic, France could be given to any of its neighbours, even Great Britain could be claimed by the Norsemen, or Germany, or Rome .... Palestinians were forcibly removed from the land many of them had lived on for centuries by the League of Nations, to allow the creation of the State of Israel. It was denounced by many as a bad move then, and it's still a fucking sore that won't scab over and heal. Because both sides keep picking at it, one because they believe they were dispossessed, the other because they feel cornered. Stupid place to put Israel, if you ask me. Maybe New Jersey would have been the better choice then, eh? I'm sure Rabbi Soaring Eagle would approve.

[funkypunk]

stunning that people who have been milking the holocaust for sympathy for 50 years have no qualms about....keeping people in camps



i say nuke the whole motherfucker
plus then we can keep the fucking $3 billion we hand out to israel every year

Milking the Holocaust, and mercilessly hunting down anyone they can tie to a prison guard uniform. Guess they feel some sort of sense of entitlement to wipe out all opposition, eh? Wonder if the tables will ever be turned. They certainly didn't like it a few years back when two alleged Mossad agents were jailed here foe forging New Zealand passports. In fact, they got right shitty about it, and stopped talking to us.  

And Shamus, giving al Qaeda NJ is nothing like giving the Palestinians Gaza strip, unless al Qaeda is a Native American group. Your explanation of a Palestinian is racist and simplistic, not at all what I would have expected from you. By that logic, France could be given to any of its neighbours, even Great Britain could be claimed by the Norsemen, or Germany, or Rome .... Palestinians were forcibly removed from the land many of them had lived on for centuries by the League of Nations, to allow the creation of the State of Israel. It was denounced by many as a bad move then, and it's still a fucking sore that won't scab over and heal. Because both sides keep picking at it, one because they believe they were dispossessed, the other because they feel cornered. Stupid place to put Israel, if you ask me. Maybe New Jersey would have been the better choice then, eh? I'm sure Rabbi Soaring Eagle would approve.

Surely giving Al Qaeda New Jersey would be like giving North Island to the Baadar-Meinhof gang, in that they don't come from there, they're not a people but a political organisation, and they have no ties to the place whatsoever.

I like how the Yanks don't realise they've been stitched up by Israel with this - it's to leave Obama no room to manouvre. Tail wagging the dog, ain't it?

[funkypunk]

Of course, if Israel went on a blitzkreig against prog rockers, they'd have my full support. Cor! Imagine that! An Israeli ground war against Rush, or bombing campaign that blew up the leaders of Yes, Caravan and Wishbone Ash, and blew off one of Jethro Tull's legs so he'd have no fucking choice but hop about on the other one!

[KingShamus]

And Shamus, giving al Qaeda NJ is nothing like giving the Palestinians Gaza strip, unless al Qaeda is a Native American group. Your explanation of a Palestinian is racist and simplistic, not at all what I would have expected from you. By that logic, France could be given to any of its neighbours, even Great Britain could be claimed by the Norsemen, or Germany, or Rome .... Palestinians were forcibly removed from the land many of them had lived on for centuries by the League of Nations, to allow the creation of the State of Israel. It was denounced by many as a bad move then, and it's still a fucking sore that won't scab over and heal. Because both sides keep picking at it, one because they believe they were dispossessed, the other because they feel cornered. Stupid place to put Israel, if you ask me. Maybe New Jersey would have been the better choice then, eh? I'm sure Rabbi Soaring Eagle would approve.

Don't get it twisted.

I bear the Palestinians no racial animosity.  However, it is a fact that Palestinians are viewed by many other Arabs-again, not me-as second-class citizens.  The term "Pollocks of the Middle East" is the phrase I hear a lot.  I'm just reporting what I hear from Arabs.  I don't feel that way at all.  

I am in favor of a two-state solution.  There has to be a place for the displaced.  You're exatcly right-it is a scab that has never healed.  The 1948 solution was not ideal.  However, many Jews were living in 'Palestine' before 1948, having bought land and settled there in the late 1800's (there never was a nation called Palestine, by the way) so there are legitimate Jewish land claims as well.  

More to the point, I don't know what people expect the Israelis to do.  They were given land by the UN to make a country.  The UN then does nothing with the Palestinians.  Who exactly is to blame for the Palestinians being in camps?  The other Arab states should've been made to take in refugees.  Instead, the Arab sphere finds that the Palestinians are better used as a club to beat the Israelis and the West over the head.  

Saudi Arabia has more money than it knows what to do with.  It can't part with a little bit of their petro-fortune to set up something for the Palestinians?  Where was the noted humanitarian Saddam Hussein when the Palestinians needed a place to go?

And a lot of this is just going around the issue.  Whether you like Israel or not, it's here.  We can't go back in time and remake things.  The Israelis have to be able to defend themselves from Hamas, who in reality was the one who broke the cease-fire agreement in the first place.

One more thing:  The idea that the Israelis shouldn't go into Hamastan in order to stop the rocket assault because it will inflame Palestinian resentment is wrong-headed.  If done correctly, wars resolve things.  It might be an ugly thing to say but it's a truth some of us have a hard time grasping, perhaps because of it's sheer bluntness.  The American Civil War solved the issue of African-American slavery.  WWII solved the issue of Nazi/Japanese expansionism.  

The Israelis must show Hamas and it's backer Iran that the IDF is willing to answer aggression with force.  That force cannot be proportional, but instead should be as disproportional as morally possible.  If you utterly annihilate Hamas, the Palestinians will be much less likely to use force in the future.  With Hamas out of the way, moderate reasonable factions may be persuaded to come to the bargaining table and create a real peace.  

We make the mistake of seeing our enemies as supermen.  They are not.  Hamas-like al-Qaeda and Iran-is not composed of an endless supply of fighters, forever happy to make war while we whither and die.  Hamas is human and as such they bleed, die, get tired and become demoralized just like anyone else.  

If Hamas chooses to make war, Israel must do the same.  The Israelis have no choice.

[funkypunk]

I've read of Palestine in the writings of Tacitus (which, incidentally, decribes Judean hatred of Palestinians, and vice versa - this has been going on a lot longer than most think), from 1919 to 1948 it was the British Mandate of Palestine (not Israel!)and also seen the term 'Palestine' mentioned in madragals from King Richard III's time, so I think the Israelis are just telling porky's when they claim it's a made up name.

Still, it's funnny watching the septics do what they're told  

But enough of the past, let us move to a future.
I think the Israelis, Palestinians, Iranians, Americans, French and everyone shoudl join together in a spirit of cameradery and brotherhood...and bomb the fucking proggers before they have another reunion!

[KingShamus]

Palestine was never a sovereign state.  Happy now?

Let's get real:  Does anyone want a group of heavily-armed gangsters living next door to them?  Because that's what Hamas is.  They are not this idealistic downtrodden political movement that some here seem to be implying.  They are criminals, murderers and other derelicts who have conveniently attached themselves to the Palestinian cause.  They mistreat their own almost as badly as they do anyone else.  Hamas justifies it's actions with a veneer of political jibber-jabber, but it's existence is based around nothing more than the destruction of Israel and the enrichment of the group, not the betterment of the Palestinians.  

Why would anyone go the bargaining table with Haniya & Co.?  It's like sitting down to discuss a contract with a caporegime from the mob.

[funkypunk]

Palestine was never a sovereign state.  Happy now?

Let's get real:  Does anyone want a group of heavily-armed gangsters living next door to them?  Because that's what Hamas is.  They are not this idealistic downtrodden political movement that some here seem to be implying.  They are criminals, murderers and other derelicts who have conveniently attached themselves to the Palestinian cause.  They mistreat their own almost as badly as they do anyone else.  Hamas justifies it's actions with a veneer of political jibber-jabber, but it's existence is based around nothing more than the destruction of Israel and the enrichment of the group, not the betterment of the Palestinians.  

Why would anyone go the bargaining table with Haniya & Co.?  It's like sitting down to discuss a contract with a caporegime from the mob.

Actually, I think there's just been a showdown between some gangstas and the rozzers outside my window...  

I really don't see why America lets itself be dragged into Israel's aggressions. It's a bad deal for you - all you're gonna get is trouble. It won't go away, but the longer it goes on the more you become associated with it. You wanna make a billion enemies just because one country arrogantly thinks its neighbours are dirt? Let's not kid ourselves here - that's what Israelis think of their neighbours (and I've seen that first hand). If your leaders were serving the American people, they'd keep it all at arms length. As it is, they're serving another country's leaders, who know they can commit any atrocity and America will protect them. That really isn't good for America or Americans - you've ended up sharing the blame for it.

Anyway, aren't you gonna chide me for my use of shocking pictures this time?  

[Tatonka Blanco]

for once i agree with funky

for the most part, you're probably right shamus
but that's irrelevant

the problem lies in the american government's complicity with the israelis but not the palestinians
if both sides are stupid enough to want to bomb the fuck out of each other forever.....that's their prerogative
even reading your missives up there, you align what's good for israel with what's good for "us" which couldn't be further from the truth
they use us for military might and muscle, and we use them for a barely maintained territorial toehold in the region
along with that, personnel-wise, our government is all mucked up with their government

what i'm saying is that i don't personally feel either side in the conflict is entirely justified in it's behavior
but it's certainly not my fucking problem and it's certainly fucked up for us to support one side so massively and pretend it's fair
if anything we should just drop big piles of ammunition on both sides and let the strong survive
that should fit nicely with the right wing "might makes right" sentiment so often voiced in support of america and it's actions

[funkypunk]

for once i agree with funky

for the most part, you're probably right shamus
but that's irrelevant

the problem lies in the american government's complicity with the israelis but not the palestinians
if both sides are stupid enough to want to bomb the fuck out of each other forever.....that's their prerogative
even reading your missives up there, you align what's good for israel with what's good for "us" which couldn't be further from the truth
they use us for military might and muscle, and we use them for a barely maintained territorial toehold in the region
along with that, personnel-wise, our government is all mucked up with their government

what i'm saying is that i don't personally feel either side in the conflict is entirely justified in it's behavior
but it's certainly not my fucking problem and it's certainly fucked up for us to support one side so massively and pretend it's fair
if anything we should just drop big piles of ammunition on both sides and let the strong survive
that should fit nicely with the right wing "might makes right" sentiment so often voiced in support of america and it's actions

And there's no incentive for the Israelis to really want peace if they know they can get away with anything, no matter how evil, and no incentive for the Palestinians if all they're offered is a "take it or we'll kill you" puppet state that is wholly reliant on Israel for everything from imports and border controls to education and finance, and an economy that is to be based on providing cheap sweatshop or below labour for Israel. That's just an attempt to turn it into one big forced labour camp. For people that bang on about the holocaust so much, they don't seemed to have learned anything from it.

This current outbreak is largely about corralling Obama's govt into toeing the line - why do you think they started it just before he takes office?

[KingShamus]

for the most part, you're probably right shamus
but that's irrelevant

Back-handed compliment?