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[Sal Paradise]

ok

well anyway, yeah

the nolan films lack the pulp-esque nature of the burton flicks that made them very good superhero movies

and that is my closing comment

[fifiroxy]

ok

well anyway, yeah

the nolan films lack the pulp-esque nature of the burton flicks that made them very good superhero movies

and that is my closing comment

well, I didn't like his last film, in fact I hated it, it was overlong, editing was sketchy and the Batman voice that Christian Bale used when not in costume was grating and annoying, and when I saw it in the cinema the film was misaligned which was Really Fucking Irritating and kind of spoiled it for me
anyway, the new Dark Knight Rises  is ten times better than the last One and all the issues of the last film have been resolved as far as Im concerned, Its enjoyable and has enough action, wit and good acting while still retaining the spirit of the Comic, In fact it was sometimes straying into Bond territory with emphasis on the technology and duty
so go and see it before you make up your mind
You might be pleasantly surprised

[Sal Paradise]

would rather watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj2KcFj1jbE

[funkypunk]

My enduring memory is the more subtle elements of the guy playing the Joker...where Nicholson played it completely in broad strokes, I liked the quieter moments where Ledger played it as someone who didn't always know what he was going to do next.

As demonstrated by Garfunk and myself above, the 'psuedo political wankfests' are things that can be read several ways. The Soviet daily newspaper Pravda once used the same criticisms as Garfunk when reviewing the 1960s Batman, so that would suggest some of it is intrinsic to the character. Personally I think both the Nolan and the Burton ones are more psychological than political - each 'super' character is a psychosis writ large.

I'm not one to trash Ledger's performance. Nicholson's Joker is just more my thing... a pulpy, comic prankster more akin to absurd caper than political pursuits. the art gallery scene is great. and why no origin story in The Dark Knight? It might be formulaic, but a superhero film requires a touch of formula. In Batman, Wayne and Joker are linked in that they created eachother... the classic duality of protagonist and antagonist. This ties in to my point about the Nolan films being an action movie that just happens to borrow Batman characters, there is little loyalty to the source material and that's what makes a superhero movie a superhero movie, I guess.

Oh, don't get me wrong I'm not knocking the Burton one, or Nicholson's Joker - I thought they were great. But I also liked Ledger's Joker, and see more in it on subsequent viewings, and I also liked what Nolan has done with the Batman films in terms of exploring the psychotic nature of Batman - on the first two, that is.

The third one, I have some problems with. Just seen it, and it's basically an inverse Testament of Dr Mabuse* - only where that film put the slogans of nazis into the mouths of criminals and psychopaths this one does it with the slogans of anti-capitalist protesters. It's definitely more about political ideology than psychology, with the rich depicted as victims and the ideology of Wall St protesters equated with terrorism . A bit out of touch, really!

It is more of a comic book movie than the others though, complete with a total disregard of basic physics and a comic book superweapon.

(*It's famous for being the first film banned by the Nazis for that very reason, though that didn't stop Goebbels from offering it's (part Jewish) director the post of head of the nazis film industry. He fled the country.)

[fifiroxy]

It's hard to discuss this Without spoilers but All the rich are not treated as victims in fact the terrorism is sponsored by a corporation for it's own ends, but cant be controlled as easily as they would like, pretty realistic if you ask me
Yeas there are ridiculous parts, but that is to be expected, it is based on a superhero and he does a good job of making it enjoyable

[Gaav]

I like the new one the best out of the three.

[funkypunk]

It's hard to discuss this Without spoilers but All the rich are not treated as victims in fact the terrorism is sponsored by a corporation for it's own ends, but cant be controlled as easily as they would like, pretty realistic if you ask me
Yeas there are ridiculous parts, but that is to be expected, it is based on a superhero and he does a good job of making it enjoyable

I saw it in Wandsworth - parts of the audience laughed at things I'm pretty sure Nolan didn't intend as comedy. Esp in the bike chase.  

[fifiroxy]

It's hard to discuss this Without spoilers but All the rich are not treated as victims in fact the terrorism is sponsored by a corporation for it's own ends, but cant be controlled as easily as they would like, pretty realistic if you ask me
Yeas there are ridiculous parts, but that is to be expected, it is based on a superhero and he does a good job of making it enjoyable

I saw it in Wandsworth - parts of the audience laughed at things I'm pretty sure Nolan didn't intend as comedy. Esp in the bike chase.  

they were probably high
schools out

[fifiroxy]

I like the new one the best out of the three.

Same